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Re: status and problems on sematicweb.org

From: Michael Hausenblas <michael.hausenblas@deri.org>
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 08:58:24 +0000
Cc: Markus Krötzsch <markus.kroetzsch@cs.ox.ac.uk>, Yury Katkov <katkov.juriy@gmail.com>, Semantic Web <semantic-web@w3.org>, Semantic MediaWiki users <semediawiki-user@lists.sourceforge.net>, Linked Data community <public-lod@w3.org>
Message-Id: <3145B1FB-EFA8-4D78-8044-A61509666C32@deri.org>
To: Martin Hepp <martin.hepp@ebusiness-unibw.org>

> 1. Try to remove the recent spam
> 2. Enforce a strict registration schema and allow edits only to  
> registered participants.
> I think the community is small enough so that we could easily  
> determine eligibility of new people.


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On 13 Jan 2012, at 08:52, Martin Hepp wrote:

> Hi Markus, all:
> I think it would be sufficient to
> 1. Try to remove the recent spam
> 2. Enforce a strict registration schema and allow edits only to  
> registered participants.
> I think the community is small enough so that we could easily  
> determine eligibility of new people.
> Best
> Martin
> On Jan 12, 2012, at 6:43 PM, Markus Krötzsch wrote:
>> Hi Yuri,
>> let us take this to one mailing list semantic-web@w3.org, as this  
>> is the list that is most involved (please drop the others when you  
>> reply).
>> As the technical maintainer of the site, I largely agree with your  
>> assessment. In spite of the very high visibility of the site (and  
>> perceived authority), the active editing community is not big. This  
>> is a problem especially given the significant and continued spam  
>> attacks that the site is under due to its high visibility (I just  
>> recently changed the captcha system and rolled back thousands of  
>> edits, yet it seems they are already breaking through again, though  
>> in smaller numbers).
>> I do not want to blame anybody for the state of affairs: most of us  
>> do not have the time to contribute significant content to such  
>> sites. However, given the extraordinary visibility of the site, we  
>> should all perceive this as a major problem (to the extent that we  
>> attach our work to the label "semantic web" in any way).
>> So what can be done?
>> (1) Freeze the wiki. A weaker version of this is: allow users only  
>> to edit after they were manually added to a group of trusted users  
>> (all humans welcome). This would require somebody to manage these  
>> permissions but would allow existing projects/communities to  
>> continue to use the site.
>> (2) Re-enforce spam protection on the wiki. Maybe this could be  
>> done, but the site is targeted pretty heavily. Standard captchas  
>> like ReCaptcha are thus getting broken (spammers do have an  
>> effective infrastructure for this), but maybe non-standard captchas  
>> could work better. This is a task for the technical maintainers  
>> (i.e., me and the folks at AIFB Karlsruhe where the site is hosted).
>> (3) Clean the wiki. Whether frozen or not, there is a lot of spam  
>> already. Something needs to be done to get rid of it. This requires  
>> (easy but tedious) manual effort. Some stakeholders need to be  
>> found to provide basic workforce (e.g., by hiring a student to help  
>> with spam deletion).
>> (4) Restore the wiki. Update the main pages (about technologies and  
>> active projects) to reflect a current and/or timeless state that we  
>> would like new readers to see. This again needs somebody to push  
>> it, and for writing pages about topics like SPARQL one would need  
>> some expertise. This is a challenge for the community.
>> I am willing to invest /some/ time here to help with the above, but  
>> (3) and (4) requires support from more people. On the other hand,  
>> there are probably hardly more than 20 or 30 *essential* content  
>> pages that we are talking about here, plus many pages about  
>> projects and people that one should ask the stakeholders to review.  
>> So one might be able to make this into a shining entry point to the  
>> semantic web in a week of work ... together with (1) and (2) above,  
>> the invested work would remain valuable for a long time.
>> Cheers
>> Markus
>> On 12/01/12 10:43, Yury Katkov wrote:
>>> Hi everyone!
>>> What is the current status of the semanticweb.org
>>> <http://semanticweb.org> website? It used to be the main wiki  
>>> about the
>>> semantic web, it has a lot of cool and useful information about
>>> everything. But now it seems abandoned. I mean, there are about 30  
>>> real
>>> writers who update the information about their projects an write
>>> articles, but they do something like 30% of changes. The other 70%  
>>> is spam!
>>> Are there guys who support the website?
>>> Who manages the community, are there any plans of creating  
>>> projects and
>>> articles about SW? Is there community at all?
>>> In my opinion if this great website suppose to be alive the first  
>>> goal
>>> is to find volunteers who'll help administrator to combat spam (with
>>> bots, extensions and editing policies) and support the new  
>>> activities
>>> and projets on the wiki. (I'm ready to be one of them).
>>> If this wiki lived only in the past when it was a big hype around
>>> Semantic Web topics and now without a big funding nobody wants to  
>>> use it
>>> - wouldn't it better to be frozen?
>>> I appreciate and admire people who started up the wiki. Please,  
>>> don't
>>> let it be the rotting memorial to the past of the Semantic Web.
>>> -----
>>> Sincerely yours,
>>> Yury Katkov, WikiVote llc
>> -- 
>> Dr. Markus Kroetzsch
>> Department of Computer Science, University of Oxford
>> Room 306, Parks Road, OX1 3QD Oxford, United Kingdom
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