- From: Alan Ruttenberg <alanruttenberg@gmail.com>
- Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 19:26:51 -0400
- To: "alexpi@gmail.com" <alexpi@gmail.com>
- Cc: Marco Neumann <marco.neumann@gmail.com>, Michael F Uschold <uschold@gmail.com>, glenn mcdonald <glenn@furia.com>, Ryan Kohl <ryanckohl@gmail.com>, Martin Hepp <martin.hepp@ebusiness-unibw.org>, "semantic-web@w3.org" <semantic-web@w3.org>, "public-lod@w3.org" <public-lod@w3.org>
@prefix ro: <http://www.obofoundry.org/ro/ro.owl#> . @prefix obo: <http://purl.obolibrary.org/obo/> . obo:IAO_0000104 rdf:type owl:Class ; rdfs:subClassOf [ rdf:type owl:Restriction ; owl:onProperty ro:has_part ; owl:someValuesFrom obo:IAO_0000005 ] . If you can't figure out what this means, ask your favorite LOD browser for help, or build a better one. -Alan On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 6:49 PM, alexpi@gmail.com <alexpi@gmail.com> wrote: > > za ssw m > Sent from my LG phone > > Marco Neumann <marco.neumann@gmail.com> wrote: > > >Michael, > > > >indeed I did not not read Alan's email. I assume he refers to A-Box > >identifiers only. > > > >On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 4:31 PM, Michael F Uschold <uschold@gmail.com>wrote: > > > >> On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 1:26 PM, Marco Neumann <marco.neumann@gmail.com>wrote: > >> > >>> Glenn, > >>> > >>> it's not feasible, nor enforceable, nor desirable to develop ontologies > >>> entirely with random URIs as identifiers. > >> > >> > >> *Perhaps you have not seen Alan Ruttenberg's email on this topic. I think > >> they do exactly this. It was no free lunch, they had a lot of work to do to > >> make this doable -- in large part because as Glenn says, the duality of: > >> "machines need to think in ids and people need to think in names" is not > >> well supported by tools or methodology.* > >> > >> > >>> I am of the opinion that local names should indeed be designed with > >>> meaningful names in mind last but not least to improve the ontology > >>> engineering process. Though that said there might be exceptions such as NLP > >>> and ML where automatic tagging and ontology creation with random URIs can > >>> useful, but that's a special use case. > >>> > >>> Marco > >>> > >>> > >>> On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 3:55 PM, glenn mcdonald <glenn@furia.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>> I agree wholeheartedly that URIs should be pure identifiers, with no > >>>> embedded semantics or assumptions of readability. And I agree with Kingsley > >>>> that there's an elephant in the room. I might even agree with Kingsley about > >>>> what the elephant is. > >>>> > >>>> But to say it from my point of view: machines need to think in ids, > >>>> people need to think in names. The RDF/SPARQL "stack", such as it is, has > >>>> not internalized the implications of this duality, and thus isn't really > >>>> prepared to support both audiences properly. Almost all the canonical > >>>> examples of RDF and SPARQL avoid this issue by using toy use-cases with > >>>> semi-human-readable URIs, and/or with literals where there ought to be > >>>> nodes. If you try to do a non-trivial dataset the right way, you'll > >>>> immediately find that writing the RDF or the SPARQL by hand is basically > >>>> intractable. If you try to produce an human-intelligible user-interface to > >>>> such data, you'll find yourself clinging to rdfs:label for dear life, and > >>>> then falling, falling, falling... > >>>> > >>>> In fact, there's almost nothing more telling than the fact that > >>>> rdfs:label is rdfS! This is in some ways the most fundamental aspect of > >>>> human/computer data-interaction, and RDF itself has essentially nothing to > >>>> say about it. > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Marco Neumann > >>> KONA > >>> > >>> Make sure to join us at the Semantic Technology Conference 2011 in San > >>> Francisco and save 15% with the coupon code STMN > >>> http://www.lotico.com/evt/stc2011/ > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Michael Uschold, PhD > >> Senior Ontology Consultant, Semantic Arts > >> LinkedIn: http://tr.im/limfu > >> Skype, Twitter: UscholdM > >> > >> > > > > > >-- > >Marco Neumann > >KONA > > > >Make sure to join us at the Semantic Technology Conference 2011 in San > >Francisco and save 15% with the coupon code STMN > >http://www.lotico.com/evt/stc2011/
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