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Re: Hackers - Re: Schema.org considered helpful

From: Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>
Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 12:13:55 +0100
Message-ID: <4DFC8873.9050004@openlinksw.com>
To: public-lod@w3.org
On 6/18/11 7:13 AM, AzamatAbdoullaev wrote:
> HS: "I gave a talk on the philosophy of the Social Web if you are 
> interested."
> http://www.slideshare.net/bblfish/philosophy-and-the-social-web-5583083
> For the specifics of TBL's motto, "the web as a philosophical 
> engineering", see Harry's article:
> http://www.apaonline.org/publications/newsletters/v07n2_Computers_04.aspx
> Some interesting assertions: "we are not analyzing a world, we are 
> building it. We are not experimental philosophers, we are 
> philosophical engineers." ; "online intelligence is generated through 
> complex causal interaction in an extended brain-body-environment 
> system"; "The Web is ...the creation and evolution of external 
> representations in a universal information space".
> I'd extend: if the the world wide web is "a universal information 
> space", the semantic/ontological web is a universal knowledge space.
> And we need avoid confusing four fields: philosophical engineering, 
> philosophy of engineering, engineering philosophy, and engineering of 
> philosophy.

Azamat,

Yes!

Basically we have:

1. Data Space
2. Information Space
3. Knowledge Space.

Trouble is that the WWW was rolled out as follows:

1. Information Space
2. Data Space -- we are trying to sort this out right now by decoupling 
Linked Data from Linked Documents, unobtrusively
3. Knowledge Space -- where the power reasoning, rules, and description 
logics will ultimately shine.


The bigger trouble is conflation, there are so many starting points for 
developers, commentators, and users that one way or the other the 
following happen:

1. Data, Information, and Knowledge become conflated
2. Names and Addresses become conflated
3. Data Definition and Data Description become conflated
4. Syntax and Semantics become conflated  -- RDF (markup language for 
describing things) as sole mechanism for graph based data representation 
is exhibit #1 re. this anomaly.

Like inflation, conflation ultimately destroys value :-)


Kingsley
> Azamat
> ----- Original Message -----
>
>     *From:* Henry Story <mailto:henry.story@bblfish.net>
>     *To:* adasal <mailto:adam.saltiel@gmail.com>
>     *Cc:* Lin Clark <mailto:lin.w.clark@gmail.com> ; Bjoern Hoehrmann
>     <mailto:derhoermi@gmx.net> ; Linked Data community
>     <mailto:public-lod@w3.org> ; Semantic Web
>     <mailto:semantic-web@w3.org>
>     *Sent:* Friday, June 17, 2011 8:48 PM
>     *Subject:* Re: Hackers - Re: Schema.org considered helpful
>
>
>     On 17 Jun 2011, at 19:27, adasal wrote:
>
>>     That said the hacker is a various beast, 
>
>     Indeed, hackers are not angels. But the people on this list should
>     get back to hacking or work together with open source projects to
>     get initial minimal working pieces embedded there. WebID is one;
>     foaf is another, pingback, access control, ...
>     Get the really simple pieces working.
>
>>     and I wonder if this sort of thing can really be addressed
>>     without overarching political/ethical/idealogical concerns. It's
>>     tough.
>
>     It all fits together really nicely. I gave a talk on the
>     philosophy of the Social Web if you are interested.
>     http://www.slideshare.net/bblfish/philosophy-and-the-social-web-5583083
>
>     Hackers tend to be engineers with a political attitude, so they
>     are more receptive to the bigger picture. But solving the big
>     picture problem should have an easy entry cost if we want to get
>     it going.
>
>     I talked to the BBC but they have limited themselves to what they
>     will do in the Social Web space as far as profile hosting goes.
>     Again, I'd start small. Facebook started in universities not that
>     long ago.
>
>     Henry
>
>
>     Social Web Architect
>     http://bblfish.net/
>


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Regards,

Kingsley Idehen	
President&  CEO
OpenLink Software
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