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Re: Squaring the HTTP-range-14 circle [was Re: Schema.org in RDF ...]

From: Danny Ayers <danny.ayers@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 03:27:00 +0200
Message-ID: <BANLkTi=0JtJTAPSYL+mtHqqtBcdnKt0W4A@mail.gmail.com>
To: Pat Hayes <phayes@ihmc.us>
Cc: Jason Borro <jason@openguid.net>, Linked Data community <public-lod@w3.org>
On 16 June 2011 02:26, Pat Hayes <phayes@ihmc.us> wrote:

> If you agree with Danny that a description can be a substitute for the thing it describes, then I am waiting to hear how one of you will re-write classical model theory to accommodate this classical use/mention error. You might want to start by reading Korzybski's 'General Semantics'.

IANAL, but I have heard of the use/mention thing, quite often. I don't
honestly know whether classical model theory needs a rewrite, but I'm
sure it doesn't on the basis of this thread. I also don't know enough
to know whether it's applicable - from your reaction, I suspect not.

As a publisher of information on the Web, I'm pretty much free to say
what I like (cf. Tim's Design Notes). Fish are bicycles. But that
isn't very useful.

But if I say Sasha is some kind of weird Collie-German Shepherd cross,
that has direct relevance to Sasha herself. More, the arcs in my
description between Sasha and her parents have direct correspondence
with the arcs between Sasha and her parents. There is information
common to the reality and the description (at least in human terms).
The description may, when you stand back, be very different in its
nature to the reality, but if you wish to make use of the information,
such common aspects are valuable. We've already established that HTTP
doesn't deal with any kind of "one true" representation. Data about
Sasha's parentage isn't Sasha, but it's closer than a non-committal
303 or rdfs:seeAlso. There's nothing around HTTP that says it can't be
given the same name, and it's a darn sight more useful than a
wave-over-there redirect or a random fish/bike association. I can't
see anything it breaks either.


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