- From: Michael Hausenblas <michael.hausenblas@deri.org>
- Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 11:16:49 +0100
- To: Christopher Gutteridge <cjg@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
- Cc: Harry Halpin <hhalpin@ibiblio.org>, Linked Data community <public-lod@w3.org>
Christopher, > All in all, if we can write a library which can read a page with > schema.org data encoded and spit out RDF, who cares? Exactly. This is the motivation behind [1] and any23 will soon support it as well. Care to chime in? (not sure if Python is your main language, though IIRC ;) Cheers, Michael [1] https://github.com/mhausenblas/schema-org-rdf/tree/master/tools/schema-mr-gateway -- Dr. Michael Hausenblas, Research Fellow LiDRC - Linked Data Research Centre DERI - Digital Enterprise Research Institute NUIG - National University of Ireland, Galway Ireland, Europe Tel. +353 91 495730 http://linkeddata.deri.ie/ http://sw-app.org/about.html On 8 Jun 2011, at 11:13, Christopher Gutteridge wrote: > All in all, if we can write a library which can read a page with > schema.org data encoded and spit out RDF, who cares? > > I'm looking the examples, and it looks easy enough to turn into > triples, albeit there will often be graphs with nothing but bnodes. > > There's no way normal web developers will assign URIs to things > until they see the benefit... Could we suggest a trivial extension > to schema.org to let people add URIs for itemtypes. > > <div itemscope itemtype=MailScanner has detected a possible fraud > attempt from "schema.org" claiming to be "http://schema.org/Organization > " about=MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from > "totl.net" claiming to be "http://totl.net/#org"> > > If I had more hack-slack I'd knock up a library which takes a > schema.org encoded page and spits out triples. > > Are people going to create some semantic abominations using > schema.org? of course, but they were already able to do that in > RDFa. This is going to be used by the same kind of people who were > implementing RSS a decade ago. Just accept that the world is going > to end up with a big pile of shonky data! > > schema.org is so very much more human-readable than RDFa. It wins > hands down on that. > > We're the linked data community. RDF is a tool to an end, no more. > Rather than sit around and feel glum about this coming wave of data > being a bit wrong, we should be looking at how to help it become > Linked (and Open). > > I think we made a big mistake in using http URIs. It's too > confusing. If we'd used <thing://totl.net/> with the convention that > you can find facts about it by converting "thing:" to "http:" then > the world would be much less confused about URIs. I know this is > probably an old topic of conversation, but it's a massive impediment > to the public understanding of URIs for things not available via the > HTTP protocol. > > I'm amazed that people are so surprised about schema.org. Don't you > realise that RDFa, RDF/XML and using http:// URIs for real world > things is really really confusing and make the amazingly useful idea > of Linked Open Data much harder to get to groups with? > > These days when I teach people about RDF data I start with N-Triples > as it's the easiest format to grok. > > Sorry for getting a bit ranty, but this community has no focus on > lowering the barriers which make it hard for the mainstream web > community to start producing linked data. I find that very very > frustrating. > > Harry Halpin wrote: >> >> On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Michael Hausenblas >> <michael.hausenblas@deri.org> wrote: >> >>> All, >>> >>> Thanks a lot for the comments we received so far, both here and >>> (even more) >>> off-list. Now, to make our life a bit easier, may I ask you to >>> provide >>> suggestions concerning the mapping (or feature requests alike) >>> directly to >>> the Github [1]? Of course, if you're more into it, feel free to >>> clone the >>> repo and issue a pull request. >>> >>> As you can imagine, this is a community endeavour - we just >>> happened to kick >>> it off ;) >>> >> >> Actually, I'm also going to point out that the W3C asked for EU >> funding about a year ago for something *very* similar - and at the >> time had the interest even of Google - for hosting a RDF version of >> something quite similar to schema.org. But thanks to the wonderful >> judgement of the reviewers of EU proposals and the Semantic Web >> academic community, we weren't given funding :) >> >> Obviously Google and friends see a good opportunity here to actually >> make a place to find structured data vocabularies on the Web. While I >> wish they had better support for RDFa, I can see that the whole >> RDFa/microdata/microformats lack of convergence is causing a >> confusing >> mess for ordinary webmasters. >> >> cheers, >> harry >> >>> Cheers, >>> Michael >>> >>> [1] https://github.com/mhausenblas/schema-org-rdf/issues >>> >>> -- >>> Dr. Michael Hausenblas, Research Fellow >>> LiDRC - Linked Data Research Centre >>> DERI - Digital Enterprise Research Institute >>> NUIG - National University of Ireland, Galway >>> Ireland, Europe >>> Tel. +353 91 495730 >>> http://linkeddata.deri.ie/ >>> http://sw-app.org/about.html >>> >>> On 3 Jun 2011, at 22:06, Michael Hausenblas wrote: >>> >>> >>>> http://schema.rdfs.org >>>> >>>> ... is now available - we're sorry for the delay ;) >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Michael >>>> -- >>>> Dr. Michael Hausenblas, Research Fellow >>>> LiDRC - Linked Data Research Centre >>>> DERI - Digital Enterprise Research Institute >>>> NUIG - National University of Ireland, Galway >>>> Ireland, Europe >>>> Tel. +353 91 495730 >>>> http://linkeddata.deri.ie/ >>>> http://sw-app.org/about.html >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > -- > Christopher Gutteridge -- http://id.ecs.soton.ac.uk/person/1248 > > You should read the ECS Web Team blog: http://blogs.ecs.soton.ac.uk/webteam/
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