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Re: Common RDF Vocabulary Labels Vocabulary

From: David Wood <david@3roundstones.com>
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 13:13:50 -0400
Cc: "<public-lod@w3.org> community" <public-lod@w3.org>
Message-Id: <D2A4B1A5-16A1-49C1-828C-4B730B060149@3roundstones.com>
To: Hugh Glaser <hg@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
Hi Hugh,

Thanks for your response.  Sorry I didn't see it right away - it was caught in my spam folder.  Don't take that personally :)

On Jun 6, 2011, at 08:54, Hugh Glaser wrote:

> That's a great resource building up.
> Well done starting it.
> 
> We do need to think a little about the sociology of this, I'm afraid.

I think you're right!

> You say "where they were not provided by their vocabulary's author".
> But (first example I looked at) http://www.w3.org/TR/skos-reference/skos.html has
>  <rdf:Description rdf:about="#closeMatch">
>    <rdfs:label xml:lang="en">has close match</rdfs:label>
> so labels are already there (skos:prefLabel is a sub-property of rdfs:label).
> Actually, you have something different:
> skos:closeMatch skos:prefLabel "close match" ; 


Tracking changes to vocabularies (or just missing existing labels!) could be a persistent problem.  I'm not sure how to go about fixing this other than crowd sourcing (thanks for helping).

> 
> So what is the ecosystem here?
> Is it your baby that you play with when the kids are busy? :-)
> Is this an independent, community, activity?
> If so, should agreed stuff be reflected back into the ontologies?
> Is it a harvesting and aggregation activity?


I've been viewing it as a stopgap.  The need for it could theoretically go away if vocabulary authors fixed their vocabularies, but I doubt that will happen in all cases.  I would certainly encourage any vocabulary authors to add these labels to their vocabularies if they are willing to do so.

I'd like to turn this into an independent community activity, which is why I threw it up for comment.  If others want to contribute, I can arrange to give svn access to the files.

> 
> Sorry if this sounds negative - it isn't.
> Not having labels like this has been the bane of my life on RKBExplorer for many years.


Right, I come at this from a perspective of similar pain.  The original use case was to place this vocabulary alongside other vocabs and data using them into an RDF DB for the purposes of building data-driven applications.


> I have 1000 hand-written lines of fresnel RDF, with things like:
> # Web address format                                    
> :webAddressFmt a        f:Format ;                      
>                                        f:group :aktGroup ;
>                                        f:propertyFormatDomain akt:has-web-address ;
>                                        f:propertyFormatDomain swrc:url ;
>                                        f:propertyFormatDomain akt:has-URL ;
>                                        f:propertyFormatDomain foaf:page ;
>                                        f:propertyFormatDomain foaf:homepage ; 
>                                        f:propertyFormatDomain jisc:homepage ;
>                                        f:propertyFormatDomain dc:relation ;
>                                        f:value f:externalLink ;
>                                        f:label "Web Address:"^^xsd:string .
> so I feel the pain that must have prompted you to do this!
> In fact, I used to hope that people would publish fresnel lens with their ontologies.
> In fact adding lenses of some description to your document would be good?
> 
> If we are really going for it, then you may decide to have even more labels than you have, especially if you want to embrace languages remote from the latin world.
> So for skos:closeMatch to be exhaustive, so that I can really put stuff in natural language, you might want;
> label:prefix "Close match"
> label:prefix-plural "Close matches"
> label:infix-sing-sing "has a close match"
> label:infix-sing-plur "has close matches"
> label:infix-plur-sing "have a close match"
> label:infix-plur-plur "have close matches"
> label:infix-inverse-sing-sing "is a close match of"
> label:infix-inverse-sing-plur "is a close match of"
> label:infix-inverse-plur-sing "are close matches of"
> label:infix-inverse-plur-plur "are close matches of"


Sure, that sounds useful.  Now we return to the contribution argument :)

Regards,
Dave


> 
> I can't think of a postfix context, but maybe someone needs it?
> 
> 
> On 6 Jun 2011, at 10:42, Christopher Gutteridge wrote:
> 
>> +1
>> 
>> I would go further and suggest that you cut and paste in the property & class definitions to provide a single file which can be translated to enable core parts of the semweb in other languages.
>> 
>> It's quite easy for a volunteer to just translate all the xml:lang="en" bits into other languages.
>> 
>> Maybe I'll do a "en-gb". "Centre", "Organisation", "Pavement" etc. *grin*
> Not sure about the grin :-)
> And if it is en-us, I think it should be
> ad:postalCode skos:prefLabel "zip code" .
> rather than
> ad:postalCode skos:prefLabel "postal code" .
> 
> Cheers
> Hugh
>> 
>> On 06/06/11 09:01, Antoine Zimmermann wrote:
>>> May I suggest that you add language tags, and possibly later extend this vocab with other languages? I can even provide the terms in French.
>>> 
>>> Le 06/06/2011 00:36, David Wood a écrit :
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> I would like to announce the availability of a small, but hopefully useful, vocabulary consisting of singular, plural and inverse singular human-readable labels for some common RDF vocabularies.  The idea is to provide a way for user interfaces to look up labels for RDF classes and properties where they were not provided by their vocabulary's author.
>>>> 
>>>> The Common RDF Vocabulary Labels Vocabulary is available via content negotiation at:
>>>>  http://purl.org/net/prototypo/labels
>>>> 
>>>> The HTML description needs some work, but I need to play with my kids now.  The Turtle is probably the easiest version to look at for the moment:
>>>>  http://purl.org/net/prototypo/labels-20110603.ttl
>>>> 
>>>> Have fun and please tell me if I should add any other labels.
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Dave
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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