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Re: A URI(Web ID) for the semantic web community as a foaf:Group

From: Tom Heath <tom.heath@talis.com>
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 19:27:17 +0000
Message-ID: <k2p89f622f11003261227n77172e36i5f2b57b0df986193@mail.gmail.com>
To: Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>
Cc: "KangHao Lu (Kenny)" <kennyluck@csail.mit.edu>, public-lod@w3.org

My recollection of events is as follows:

1. A number of us (you, me, others - don't remember exactly who)
agreed that the community.linkeddata.org site was a good idea.
2. You set up an ODS instance running in EC2 and asked me to setup the
appropriate CNAME record in the DNS.
3. I set up the CNAME record as requested.
4. A group of people, that did not include me, offered to take on the
task of overseeing the community.linkeddata.org site.
5. The *group* decided to stop using the ODS instance at
community.linkeddata.org and move the content to the main
linkeddata.org site.
6. At some point afterwards the original EC2 instance was
decommissioned. As far as I know a backup is not available.

So that others have access to the off-list discussions on this topic
I've put a number of relevant emails online at:
This is with Michael's consent. I assume that given your "private
conversation with you (while assuming it was public)" comment then you
are happy for this correspondence to be public, and that you can say
the same on Ted's behalf.

For the record I don't think we can afford to ignore the UI.

I'll reply to Kenny's proposals/questions after the weekend.


On 26 March 2010 17:41, Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com> wrote:
> Tom Heath wrote:
>> On 26 March 2010 15:27, Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com> wrote:
>>> Hmm, there once was an instance of Virtuoso+ODS at:
>>> <http://community.linkeddata.org/ods> that actually gave all members of
>>> LOD a URI. All you have to do is walk through the LOD mail archives to
>>> see how it came to an end. Tom Heath didn't want it there, and as far as
>>> I was concerned, I simply wasn't interested in grappling with him; its
>>> his domain (bottom line) and he has the right to do whatever with it (my
>>> last comments in an old mail thread about this matter).
>> Kingsley,
>> I don't believe your mail gives an accurate account of events.
> It does.
>>  From my
>> records the discussion was mainly off-list, and the decision to
>> deprecate community.linkeddata.org was a group decision, not mine
>> alone. At some point after that decision was taken, the Openlink Data
>> Spaces instance that you hosted at that subdomain disappeared.
> I took it off line since it was Amazon EC2 hosted. Wouldn't you if you were
> in my shoes after what happened?
>> (For the record I never hosted anything at this subdomain, it was
>> simply pointed using a DNS CNAME record at an EC2 instance
>> administered by Openlink.)
>> It would be useful if you could properly reference the mails in
>> question so others can refer to them easily. I've assembled those
>> messages I've found which are relevant to the topic and will put these
>> online shortly so others have access.
> In my response to you, I specifically said:
> You own the domain, so you can do whatever with it.
> If I was having a private conversation with you (while assuming it was
> public), I can easily go dig up my archives.
> You (and the group that excluded me) decided to take down something that you
> seem to partially understand, clearly. I told you repeatedly that it was
> about URIs for community members first, forget about the UI etc..
> It was there for dog-fooding purposes, and I am sure you can google up on
> that re. how it was introduced and offered.
>> Tom.
> --
> Regards,
> Kingsley Idehen       President & CEO OpenLink Software     Web:
> http://www.openlinksw.com
> Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen
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