- From: Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>
- Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 07:13:51 -0400
- To: David Huynh <dfhuynh@alum.mit.edu>
- CC: Linked Data community <public-lod@w3.org>, semantic-web@w3.org
David Huynh wrote:
> Kingsley Idehen wrote:
>> David Huynh wrote:
>>> Sherman Monroe wrote:
>>>>
>>>> To be more specific, these days a news reporter can say
>>>> "foobar.com <http://foobar.com>" on TV and expect that to mean
>>>> something to most of the audience. That's a marvel. Something more
>>>> than just the string "foobar.com <http://foobar.com>" is
>>>> transfered. It's the expectation that if anyone in the audience
>>>> were to type "foobar.com <http://foobar.com>" into any web
>>>> browser, then they would be seeing information served by the
>>>> authority associated with some topic or entity called "foobar" as
>>>> socially defined. And 99% of the audience would be seeing the same
>>>> information. What's the equivalent or analogous of that on the SW?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I just want to make sure the analogies are aligned properly and are
>>>> salient. The WWW contains only nouns (no sentences). If I have an
>>>> interest or service I want to share with others, then I post a
>>>> webpage and /share its URL/ with you. In the SW, things are
>>>> centered around the crowd, if I have something to say about the an
>>>> interest, service, place, person, etc, then I /reference its URL/
>>>> in my statements. So the SW contains sentences that can be browsed.
>>>> Type the URL in the WWW browser, you get /the thing /being shared.
>>>> Type the URI in the SW browser, you get the /things people say
>>>> about the thing/.
>>> I didn't quite express myself clearly. If you were to take the
>>> previous sentence ("I didn't quite express myself clearly"), and
>>> encode it in RDF, what would you get? It certainly is something that
>>> I said about "the thing", the thing being vaguely what I tried to
>>> explain before (how do you mint a URI for that?). The point is that
>>> using RDF or whatever other non-natural language structured data
>>> representation, you cannot practically represent "the things people
>>> say about the thing" in the majority of real-life cases. You can
>>> only express a very tiny subset of what can be said in natural
>>> language. This affects how people conceptualize and use this medium.
>>> If I hear a URI on TV, would I be motivated enough to type it into
>>> some browser when what I get back looks like an engineering spec
>>> sheet, but worse--with different rows from different sources,
>>> forcing me to derive the big picture myself,
>>> urn:sdajfdadjfai324829083742983:sherman_monroe
>>> name: Sherman Monroe (according to foo.com)
>>> age: __ (according to bar.com)
>>> age: ___ (according to bar2.com)
>>> nationality: __ (according to baz.com)
>>> ...
>>> rather than, say, a natural language essay that conveys a coherent
>>> opinion, or a funny video?
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> David,
>>
>> When you see a URI (a URL is a URI to me) on the TV, or hear one
>> mentioned on the TV or Radio, you now have the option to interact
>> with a variety of representations associated with the aforementioned
>> Thing identified by the URI. You have representational choices that
>> didn't exist until now. Choice is inherently optional :-)
> Beware the paradox of choices :-)
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Paradox-Choice-Why-More-Less/dp/0060005696/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1242800143&sr=8-2
>
>
>
>> A URI by definition cannot presuppose representation. This is the
>> heart of the matter.
>>
>> The Semantic Web Project isn't about a new Web distinct from the
>> ubiquitous World Wide Web. I think that sentiment and thinking faded
>> a long time ago.
>>
>> If you are used to seeing a nice looking HTML based Web Page when you
>> place URIs in a browser or click on them, then there's nothing wrong
>> with that, always interact with a Web resource using the
>> representation that best suits the kind of interaction at hand. Thus,
>> someone else may want to know what data was contextualized by the
>> nice looking HTML representation (the data behind and around the
>> page), and on that basis seek a different representation via the same
>> URI that unveils the kind descriptive granularity delivered by an
>> Entity-Attribute-Value graph (e.g., RDF).
>>
>> The revolution is about choice via negotiated representations in a
>> manner that's unobtrusive to the Web in its current form. Nobody has
>> to change how they use the Web, we are just adding options to an
>> evolving medium.
>>
>> You've forced my hand, I need to make a movie once and for all :-)
> It's not forcing, just nudging :) It'll be a win for all.
>
> David
>
>
David,
Okay, so you've successfully nudged me :-)
Here is the first cut (others will follow as this was done in haste, but
demonstrates the essence of the matter).
1. YouTube -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CweYtyw7fnY
2. Vimeo -- http://vimeo.com/4736569
--
Regards,
Kingsley Idehen Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen
President & CEO
OpenLink Software Web: http://www.openlinksw.com
Received on Wednesday, 20 May 2009 11:14:42 UTC