RE: Fwd: [backstage] Muddy Boots + BBC Music Beta

yup, I'm all for that. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Kingsley Idehen [mailto:kidehen@openlinksw.com] 
Sent: 06 August 2008 20:24
To: Chris Sizemore
Cc: Yves Raimond; public-lod@w3.org
Subject: Re: Fwd: [backstage] Muddy Boots + BBC Music Beta

Chris Sizemore wrote:
>
> as i say, the Muddy Boots folks are very LOD-centric and 
> dbpedia-sympathetic, so we should just mention these constructive 
> criticisms to them and i'm sure they'll be taken seriously.
>
> also to note is that their work is the result of a BBC commission that

> i was involved with, so i expect the BBC to make the links between 
> News stories and dbpedia/musicbrainz available itself, eventually.
> also, the Muddyboots entity extraction source code will be available 
> as open source, i do believe.
>
> as rob mentions in his original email, this is proof-of-concept stuff,

> and linked data wasn't the main use case (though linked data should 
> drop out of it naturally...)
>
Chris,

Sure re. these folks, but there are many others that consuming these
URIs (as we can see from our logs) .

The great thing about URI based Attribution is the fact that you can
walk the graphs exposed via the HTTP logs, and check adherence to
attribution methods.

Lossy attribution value chains remain the biggest hurdle to Linked Data
deployment.

If data publishers understand the intrinsic power of Linked Data (i.e
brand imprint via URIs) combined licensing that requires URI based
Attribution, they will be more inclined to publish web documents that
expose Linked Data; especially as URI endowed entities distilled from
their Web ultimately extend/expand/explode the range of their value
propositions.

If Attribution by URI isn't unwieldy, then we have a business model
unraveling game-changer that extends even beyond the early adapter
echelons of LOD  :-)

Kingsley
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: public-lod-request@w3.org on behalf of Kingsley Idehen
> Sent: Wed 8/6/2008 5:19 PM
> To: Yves Raimond
> Cc: public-lod@w3.org
> Subject: Re: Fwd: [backstage] Muddy Boots + BBC Music Beta
>
>
> Yves Raimond wrote:
> > Hello!
> >
> > I thought this would be interesting for this list, as an example of 
> > a service using several LOD sources.
> > However, it is a bit sad they don't expose the data they produce as 
> > linked data themselves - perhaps we should have a GPL-like license 
> > for LOD datasets "if you derive data from this linked data, it must 
> > be available as linked data" :-D (just jocking).
> >
> > Cheers!
> > y
> >
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: robl <robl@monkeyhelper.com>
> > Date: Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 4:15 PM
> > Subject: [backstage] Muddy Boots + BBC Music Beta
> > To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Over at Rattle [1] we got quite excited by the release of the new 
> > music beta site, in fact we created our own prototype that links our

> > latest iteration of the Muddy Boots system [2] with the beta music 
> > site.
> >
> > We haven't announced the latest version of Muddy Boots yet, but in 
> > essence it's main aim is to 'unambiguously identify the main actors 
> > in a BBC news story', in doing this it uses DBpedia URI's to 
> > identify the entities involved. At the moment the system knows about

> > 'people' and companies' however we've just added experimental
support for 'bands'
> > (!).
> >
> > As DBpedia knows about Musicbrainz guid's and Muddy Boots knows 
> > which BBC news stories relate to which DBpedia entry for a 
> > person|band we can add metadata about the related news stories about

> > an artist ('Seen in these news stories' at the bottom of the page) :
> >
> > Coldplay : 
> http://muddy.rattleresearch.com/muddy2/musicentities/cc197bad-dc9c-440
> d-a5b5-d52ba2e14234
> >
> > Kaiser Chiefs :
> > 
> http://muddy.rattleresearch.com/muddy2/musicentities/90218af4-4d58-482
> 1-8d41-2ee295ebbe21
> >
> > and of course not forgetting the famous spoken word artist (!) :
> >
> > George W Bush :
> > 
> http://muddy.rattleresearch.com/muddy2/musicentities/06564917-bdd2-4fb
> 6-bcdc-be9e0c04f7ac
> >
> > We'll be mentioning more about Muddy Boots in the future, but you 
> > can see we're starting to add semantic markup to BBC News stories 
> > and creating links between open data sources and BBC News (try 
> > clicking a news story and you'll see it has the 'actors' in the news

> > story marked up with Microformats). It's still at the prototype 
> > stage at the moment and we're about to enter a formal validation and

> > testing phase to measure the systems accuracy - but we thought we'd 
> > produce this prototype to demonstrate the kinds of things we can 
> > start to achieve when open data (or web-scale) identifiers are used 
> > to identify content.
> >
> > You can see all the music entities the system knows about by viewing
:
> > http://muddy.rattleresearch.com/muddy2/musicentities/
> >
> > The support for identifying bands is definitely considered 
> > 'experimental' at the moment, so you might see the occasional 'blip'
> > with related stories as we look at how to classify 'bands' in 
> > stories more accurately. We're just started indexing BBC news 
> > stories in anger, so expect to see more related data appear over the

> > next fews days and weeks.
> >
> > We'd love to hear any comments you have about it :)
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Rob
> >
> > [1] http://www.rattleresearch.com
> > [2] http://muddyboots.rattleresearch.com/semantic-web-project/
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> Yves,
>
> I've been working on a set of best practices for Attribution by URI 
> for LOD. The talks have been private (with a number of folks) for the 
> last few weeks, but this post is poignant enough for me to change 
> modes i.e., go public.
>
> Yes, it is a shame that consumption of LOD data is already in full 
> swing with original source URIs dislocated from the Linked Data Web 
> value chain :-(
>
> Bottom line, at the very least, we should collectively seek 
> "Attribution by URI" for our data sets. Thus, if you consume 
> <http://dbpedia.org/resource/Berlin> don't attribute in any of the 
> following lossy forms:
>
> 1. "Thanks you DBpedia......"
> 2.  http://dbpedia.org
>
>
> What we want is:
>
> 1. http://dbpedia.org/resource/Berlin (the URI of the entity Berlin 
> the conduit to the data transmission that you consumed)
>
> This can be done as follows:
>
> 1. RSS 1.0, RSS 2.0, Atom feed listing the data source names (URIs) 2.

> RDFa (expressing RSS 1.0) 3. If producing RDF, within the graph using 
> terms from an Attribution ontology (we have example that will be 
> pubished)
>
>
> What these consumers need to be aware of is that HTTP is very 
> powerful, meaning, it's not that difficult to dereference all the web 
> resources that have consumed a URI but not attributed as requested by 
> the publisher :-)
>
> We know who's consuming our URIs (e.g. DBpedia) becuase the leave 
> their trails!
>
> The one missing piece of the Linked Data Web bootstrap has been an 
> effective license scheme of publicly available Linked Data. I think 
> this is about to change in a very big way.
>
>
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> Regards,
>
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