- From: William Waites <ww@styx.org>
- Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 16:11:33 +0100
- To: "Tillett, Barbara" <btil@loc.gov>
- Cc: Dan Brickley <danbri@danbri.org>, public-lld <public-lld@w3.org>, "Murray, Ronald" <rmur@loc.gov>
* [2011-03-21 10:19:25 -0400] Tillett, Barbara <btil@loc.gov> écrit: ] Thinking of FRBR as "over-engineered" perhaps mistakenly focuses ] on casual readers and on inventory management issues. "over-engineered" meaning "for our use case". the added complexity of abstractions that may be useful in some circumstances was simply outweighed by the benefit of keeping things simple. Having the requirement to create ghostly entities because of the conceptual model makes things more complex when the users really do not care about these fine distinctions. ] If our *Cultural Heritage* mission (as opposed to a marketing, ] entertainment, or advertisement mission) is to "collect the dots ] and then connect the dots" through our resource descriptions, ] we require the ability to create resource descriptions that serve ] the needs of -> and incorporate the more sophisticated ] resource descriptions created by <- scholarly and educational ] users. The FRBR conceptual model is not necessarily right for many scholarly and educational users. It makes a bunch of assumptions about epistemology and art (the nature of creation) that can easily be disputed. Artists and philosophers will organise their knowledge about the works in their field differently and will simply say, "the librarians think of things that way and perhaps it helps them organise books better and that's their business". The WEMI classes might be ok but the rules for when to create a new expression and when to create a new work are particularly problematic. This shows up most clearly when applied to things like recordings and musical scores, but the problem is there even with literature, only harder to see. For example, it used to be commonplace for soloists performing a concerto to compose their own cadenza. Almost none of the classical or romantic composers provided a cadenza indeed its purpose is to allow the soloist to display their virtuosity. Some musicians still do this, Nigel Kennedy comes to mind. Most play cadenzas that were written by some other musician. Now if I have a score for the Brahms violin concerto, I'm likely to see something that was written in part by Brahms and in part by someone else. So this is now a derived work but in a library catalogue that is not specialised for music it is likely to be treated as a different expression or manifestation. If I have a recording where the soloist improvises a cadenza, I must now have a new work. Even if they play an already existing one it can be strongly argued that their interpretation constitutes a new work to the degree that it is novel or inspired, to the degree that they make their own musical contribution. What happens to a recording where someone plays a wrong note? All these things and more are of interest to musicians and musicologists who will find the choices made by FRBR inadequate or wrong. And I am not talking about "casual users" here. The point is, FRBR as a conceptual model is good for some things and not for others. It is just one of many possible sets of categories and rules for organising creations and is not so universal and obvious that it should be privileged above others. Cheers, -w -- William Waites <mailto:ww@styx.org> http://river.styx.org/ww/ <sip:ww@styx.org> F4B3 39BF E775 CF42 0BAB 3DF0 BE40 A6DF B06F FD45
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