- From: Karen Coyle <kcoyle@kcoyle.net>
- Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 09:24:45 -0700
- To: "Young,Jeff (OR)" <jyoung@oclc.org>
- Cc: Dan Brickley <danbri@danbri.org>, Ed Summers <ehs@pobox.com>, public-lld@w3.org
Jeff, I wasn't intending to write code, so don't take anything to be a literal vs. a URI -- it was conceptual. kc Quoting "Young,Jeff (OR)" <jyoung@oclc.org>: > Karen, > > I agree the subtleties encoded in these types should be decomposed > into sensible and normalized properties when patterns are found. > OTOH, your example contains literals that should be opaquely > identified and factored out of CBD RDF representations. This will > make these intuitive but idiomatic rdf:types harder to deduce. > > Jeff > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Karen Coyle [mailto:kcoyle@kcoyle.net] >> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 11:20 AM >> To: Young,Jeff (OR) >> Cc: Dan Brickley; Ed Summers; public-lld@w3.org >> Subject: RE: Planned changes to the VIAF RDF >> >> Quoting "Young,Jeff (OR)" <jyoung@oclc.org>: >> >> >> > >> > That's how DBpedia seems to do it and I think it's helpful that way. >> > Here are the types for Jane Austen: >> > >> > rdf:type >> > >> > * foaf:Person >> > * yago:EnglishWomenWriters >> > * yago:PeopleFromHampshire >> > * yago:Person100007846 >> > * yago:EnglishNovelists >> > * yago:WomenNovelists >> > * yago:EnglishRomanticFictionWriters >> > * yago:PeopleFromReading,Berkshire >> > * yago:19th-centuryEnglishPeople >> > * yago:WomenOfTheRegencyEra >> > * yago:18th-centuryEnglishPeople >> >> Couldn't these be deduced from other data? Using this method, you >> would only retrieve entities that have been given these particular >> classes, but if you turned these into data available to queries... >> >> sex:female >> dates: (whatever) >> primaryLocation: England >> language: English >> wrote: (name of novel) >> (name of novel) --> has genre --> romantic fiction >> (name of novel) --> has genre --> fiction (inferred?) >> >> etc. then you would be able to retrieve all or most of the above, plus >> perhaps more. It seems to me that trying to characterize every >> possible combination goes against the basic concepts of linked data. >> Actually, it might not even be particularly good as a metadata >> practice. >> >> kc >> >> > >> > I admit the classes get a little crazy sometimes and wouldn't assume >> > they are used consistently, but I think most of them make intuitive >> > sense. >> > >> > Jeff >> > >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: public-lld-request@w3.org [mailto:public-lld-request@w3.org] >> On >> >> Behalf Of Dan Brickley >> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 9:19 AM >> >> To: Ed Summers >> >> Cc: public-lld@w3.org >> >> Subject: Re: Planned changes to the VIAF RDF >> >> >> >> On 13 April 2011 14:50, Ed Summers <ehs@pobox.com> wrote: >> >> > Hi Jeff, >> >> > >> >> > First, let me just say I'm a big fan of the simplifications that >> you >> >> > and Thom are proposing ... they are clearly a big improvement. But >> I >> >> > am wondering about the foaf:focus pattern that you are promoting. >> >> > >> >> > I know I've said this before privately in IRC to various people, >> but >> >> > it's probably worth asking aloud here. Is it really necessary to >> use >> >> > URIs to distinguish between the thing itself, and the concept of >> the >> >> > thing? >> >> >> >> As a loose rule, I see value in the latter when the thing figures in >> >> some SKOS scheme, either to be mentioned alongside other related >> >> entities (also indirectly as concepts) or so that >> >> person_123_as_politician, person_123_as_parent, person_123_as_author >> >> could be distinguished as different topics. There is value in that, >> >> both for using those topic URIs to characterise information, but >> also >> >> to talk in more detail about skills/expertise. Someone might be a >> >> world export on "President George Bush snr. as a manager". >> >> >> >> I tend to see your question as a variant on "why both using SKOS RDF >> >> to describe concepts of thing, when I could just describe the world >> >> directly in RDF?". >> >> >> >> That's a fair question. I find >> >> http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/REC-skos-reference-20090818/#L1045 still a >> >> useful overview... >> >> >> >> Dan >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Karen Coyle >> kcoyle@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net >> ph: 1-510-540-7596 >> m: 1-510-435-8234 >> skype: kcoylenet >> > > -- Karen Coyle kcoyle@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net ph: 1-510-540-7596 m: 1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet
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