- From: Thomas Baker <tbaker@tbaker.de>
- Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 14:25:58 -0400
- To: public-xg-lld <public-xg-lld@w3.org>, public-lld <public-lld@w3.org>
Dear all, The default mailing-list configuration we received from W3C was: -- member-xg-lld -- subscribable only by XG participants -- with a Web archive readable only by W3C members (e.g., excluding Invited Experts and members of the public) -- public-xg-lld -- subscribable by anyone, with XG participants automatically subscribed -- world-readable Web archive We felt that member-xg-lld was not usable because references to email postings are not world-readable. What we did was to shift this in a "public" direction, i.e.: -- member-xg-lld - dropped -- public-xg-lld - redefined as XG-only list -- subscribable only by XG participants -- world-readable Web archive -- public-lld - added as a community list -- subscribable by anyone, with XG participants automatically subscribed -- world-readable Web archive We three co-chairs are in agreement on this, and it is important to note that we made this change in the context of existing W3C process for XGs [1]: -- All technical work is on a Member-only mailing list and Web pages, unless proposed otherwise in the Charter. -- The XG must maintain [...] one public mailing list (for public comments, and other interaction between the XG and public, as desired). The two-list solution is consistent with the W3C model as we understand it -- indeed our variant improves on this by making the XG list completely world-readable -- and we have the support of the XG Team for this change. We see the difference between the two lists as roughly analogous to the productive split we had between two mailing lists used for the Semantic Web Deployment Working Group: -- public-swd-xg -- subscribable only by participants of Semantic Web Deployment Working Group -- world-readable Web archive -- public-esw-thes -- subscribable by anyone -- world-readable Web archive These two lists worked very well for SWD; nobody on either list complained. The key to its success was that we routinely and systematically Cc'd material of substantive interest (i.e., about non-housekeeping issues) to the public list. In our experience, cross-posting is quite common in the W3C context and is actually a good thing. After two weeks of official existence, we have already twice as many subscribers on the community list as on the XG list -- i.e., equal numbers of non-XG and XG participants. Leaving aside the unusually large Social Web XG (75 members and 160 subscribers), the other XG lists we have looked at did not have double the number of subscribers as members even at the end of their charters. If we actively promote subscription to the community list, which is what we would like to do, the number of subscribers will rise further while the number of XG participants remains stable, With over thirty committed participants, we would expect housekeeping messages -- regrets for telecons, organization of work on deliverables, and the like -- to account for between one third and one half of list traffic. It has been suggested here that interested members of the public can be expected to filter this out. However, if we are indeed hoping to attract interest in the bigger public list from the broader outside world, we see a greater risk that non-XG members will feel annoyed, or shy about sending things to a list where half of the traffic is about technical and housekeeping issues and not about the substance of our work. Anyone truly interested in following housekeeping details will be able to consult, cite, or tweet the public record. For any XG materials of substantive interest, the chairs would like to see these cross-posted to public-lld for wider dissemination. If participants forget to do it, the chairs are willing to help. This worked well between public-swd-wg and public-esw-thes so we see no reason it cannot work well here. On the public side (public-lld), we want to encourage broader discussion and community building. Indeed our charter specifically calls for outreach: Fostering collaboration among actors (libraries, museums, archives, publishers) interested in porting cultural assets to the Linked Data Web. We want the community list to have alot of subscribers and for there to be alot of discussion. But while these discussions are important to have, they should not interfere with a focus on priorities and deliverables on the XG list. If we do everything on one public list, the work of task groups risks getting lost amid the community discussion. We feel that XG participants are busy people who should not have to scan a high-volume public mailing list to stay on top of telecon topics. In short, we stand by our position of using two lists with extensive cross-posting. We understand this position to be consistent with W3C policy with regard to W3C Members and Invited Experts, and we are strongly disinclined to spend chair effort negotiating with W3C about changes to basic policy -- effort that is better spent focusing on deliverables. We believe the two-list solution optimally serves both the work of the XG and the wider community, and we are sure that members of this list will let us know if they disagree. Tom, Emmanuelle, Antoine [1] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/procedures.html -- Tom Baker <tbaker@tbaker.de>
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