Re: RE: Citation Cluster

There is a difference between the act of citation and a Bibliographic
reference. However the end aim of a citation is to reference a work
(whatever this is, book, conversation, presentation or other ) in a precise
fashion.

The sticking point comes when we examine the current data for citations. Due
to various concessions to text formatting and house styles, the data frankly
isn't good enough! Much of it lacks decent identifying features, Nature iirc
doesn't even include the article title!

Even with what you might consider a decent set of data, the pubmed open
access dataset, we are finding issues as part of the jisc open citations
project, run by david Shotton. On occassion finding references that never
occur in the text, dois that point to the wrong article and simply bad data.

Alex Dutton and I are working on ways to concert the XML data into
manipulatable formats, concentrating on graphml for Gephi and networkx, and
rdf for sparqling.

Don't get me started on how nasty, murky and undeclared the licence
situation for citations is either!

Ben
On 9 Dec 2010 14:58, "Karen Coyle" <kcoyle@kcoyle.net> wrote:
> Can't citations be non-bibliographic? e.g. personal communications.
> Are there others?
>
> Other than that, I agree with Barbara that we should consider whether
> citations are a different "thing" or just a different relationship
> between things. The big difference that I see is the inclusion of a
> page or section, but I could imagine that being a citation extension
> to a general bibliographic vocabulary. BTW, I like the citation
> predicates that Adrian pointed out. However, even just "cites" gets us
> quite a bit of information for linking documents (after all, look how
> the inferences that Google makes on simple hyperlinks), and ideally we
> should link from citations to documents as described on their own (not
> as citations).
>
> kc.
>
> Quoting "Tillett, Barbara" <btil@loc.gov>:
>
>> Why is "citation" not just an application of using bibliographic
>> data that identifies a bibliographic entity? Isn't the
>> bibliographic data part (separate from the relationship information
>> connecting the cited work and the citing work) the same as in a
>> bibliographic record (granted less)? - Barbara
>>
>> Barbara B. Tillett, Ph.D.
>> Chief, Policy & Standards Division
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>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: public-lld-request@w3.org [mailto:public-lld-request@w3.org]
>> On Behalf Of Kai Eckert
>> Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 3:02 AM
>> To: public-xg-lld; public-lld@w3.org
>> Subject: Citation Cluster
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> Ed, Peter and I further worked on the curation of the citation
>> cluster and as promised (ACTION delivered), I now created a wiki page:
>>
>> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Cluster_Citations
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Kai
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