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From: Young,Jeff (OR) <jyoung@oclc.org>
Date: 2010/8/27
Subject: Minutes of 2010-07-26 LLD meeting
To: public-xg-lld@w3.org
Hi everyone,
Sorry for the delay. The minutes of yesterday’s call are at
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/08/26-lld-minutes.html
A text version follows.
Jeff
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[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
LLD XG
26 Aug 2010
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2010Aug/0089.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2010/08/26-lld-irc
Attendees
Present
AlexanderH, Andras, Anette, Felix, GordonD, Jeff, LC, TomB,
antoine, aseiler, digikim, edsu, emma, fsasaki, jon, jphipps,
kai, karen, kcoyle, marcia, michaelp, monica, rayd, rsinger,
tituomin, whalb
Regrets
Bernard, Jodi, Jonathan, Oreste, Guenther, jneubert
Chair
antoine
Scribe
 
; Jeff
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Administrative
2. [6]F2F meetings
3. [7]Use cases and case studies
4. [8]LLD Topic list
5. [9]Other
6. [10]Upcoming topics
* [11]Summary of Action Items
_________________________________________________________
<antoine> Scribe: Jeff
Administrative
Previous minutes:
[12]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/08/19-lld-minu
tes.html
[12] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/08/19-lld-minutes.html
<GordonD> minutes ok with me
RESOLUTION: accept previous telecon minutes
F2F meetings
Tom: Joint meeting of LLD XG and DCMI architecture group
... Discuss application profiles and how they can be applied in both
groups
&nbs
p; ... Look for patterns in application profiles and how they could be
applied in the Linked Data context
<emma> F2F meetings :
[13]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/F2F
[13] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/F2F
Saturday and Sunday, 23 and 24 October - confirmed
Face-to-face meeting of LLD XG
<GordonD> I will definitely be attending the F2F meeting in
Pittsburgh
ACTION: Potential attendees in Pittsburgh to use wiki page to
indicate whet
her they are attending or not at
[14]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/F2F recorded in
[15]http://www.w3.org/2010/08/26-lld-minutes.html#action01]
[14] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/F2F=
[15] http://www.w3.org/2010/08/26-lld-minutes.html#action01
<rsinger> I will definitely not be, unfortunately
<kai> People can edit their states, just changed my to stron yes :-)
Cologne F2F
<GordonD> doodle poll link for cologne is not working
<aseiler> doodl
e poll for cologne:
[16]http://www.doodle.com/tdxwapytnxrsm4tm
[16] http://www.doodle.com/tdxwapytnxrsm4tm
Use cases and case studies
Deadline was yesterday for submitting use cases
8 use cases submitted
ACTION: Everyone to create use cases on the "use case note" page
[17]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/UseCaseNotes. Not more
than 2 persons per case. Deadline august 25. [recorded in
[18]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/29-lld-minu
tes.html#action04] [DONE]
[17] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/UseCaseNotes.
[18] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/29-lld-minutes.html#action04
Review of individual use cases:
[19]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Use_Case_Authority_Dat
a_Enrichment
[19] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Use_Case_Authority_Data_Enrichment
<kai> better start with use cases from others
Bibliographic Network
[20]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/w
iki/Use_Case_Bibliographic
_Network
[20] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Use_Case_Bibliographic_Network
<rsinger> there's tod
<rsinger> if'n you want him to talk about the use case
<matolat> sorry I can't join the call
<rsinger> well, no then :)
[21]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Use_Case_Subject_Searc
h
[21] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Use_Case_Subject_Search
<antoine> Jeff: I'm not finished
<antoine> ... but I like the template
<antoine> Jeff: I wouldn't change the templates on the section I
started
<antoine> Kai: it's not a problem that youcouldn't use a
section,it's just that you're not there yet
Jeff: The template worked well for me so far. My use case is
incomplete
Open Library Data
[22]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Use_Case_Open_Library_
Data
&
nbsp;
[22] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Use_Case_Open_Library_Data
Karen: Not sure how linked data applied to use case and how topics
could be applied
<rsinger> btw, i have a copy of the OL data in a platform store
(therefore, has sparql): [23]http://api.talis.com/stores/openlibrary
[23] http://api.talis.com/stores/openlibrary
AlexanderH: 2 use cases
... who are the actors? Use OL as one provider for such data
karen: OL is a real use case
... we don't have applicatio
ns that use Linked Data
AlexanderH: Who is the user and what are the interactions?
Kai: The goal isn't to have Linked Data
... What is the problem and why is Linked Data the best solution?
... Linked Data is a means, not an ends
... Linked Data can be used to express requirements for use cases
antoine: can use case be adapted to accommodate AlexanderH's
perspective?
<Kai> wasn't me speaking it was Kai
kcoyle: Kai's view seems like a different use case
Kai: Assumes use ca
ses come from a user's perspective
antoine: use case seems similar to
[24]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Use_Case_Subject_Searc
h
[24] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Use_Case_Subject_Search
<marcia> ＊*somehow my line was dropped
<AlexanderH> +1 for naming the UC by the use case scenario
<Zakim> emma, you wanted to comment on the name of the UC
emma: use cases should describe user views rather than describing
project
<Zakim> edsu, you wanted to support kai
edsu: concrete examples are important
<GordonD> I'm expecting we will combine some use cases, and split
others - but user should be the focus
<Zakim> j
phipps, you wanted to support Karen's notion that there
should be multiple use cases
jphipps: There is value in publishing the data without knowing how
it will be used
<GordonD> users are professional intermediaries. service developers,
content providers, and ... end-users
<kcoyle> +1
emma: differentiate target audience in use case between user and
producers
<edsu> sometimes i even think users are computer programs :)
<GordonD> +1
<
o:p>
<fsasaki> @ edsu: in some cases they are, see the "language
technology" use case
<jphipps> +1 edsu
<edsu> fsasaki++
<fsasaki> :)
<TomB> +1 EdSu - and making this point explicit
Kai: OK to indicate the target audience in the use case with focus
on producer vs consumer
... but a consumer perspective provides greater insight why Linked
Data is important
antoine: producer-oriented use cases raises inte
resting problems
that a user-perspective may miss
<GordonD> I assume linked-data refers to architectures,
applications, etc. as well as content (that is, instance triples and
resorces with URIs)
<rsinger> "You don't work on the goal you want, you work on the goal
you have"
edsu: why should the OL data base exposed as Linked Data?
kcoyle: the stated goal is to make the data as useful as possible
kai: change the goal section and generalize the use case name
<rsinger> Would it make more sense to define the goal as "identify
the resources and identifiers in the Open Library since it is an
aggregate of multiple sources of data"?
ACTION: kai will try to update Karen's use case [recorded in
[25]http://www.w3.org/2010/08/26-lld-minutes.html#action03]
[25] http://www.w3.org/2010/08/26-lld-minutes.html#action03
LLD Topic list
ACTION: Everyone to elaborate on topics in the wiki [recorded in
[26]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/08-lld-minu
tes.html#action08] [CONTINUES]
<
o:p>
[26] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/08-lld-minutes.html#action08
Other
ACTION: Marcia to post I2 comments to LLD list [recorded in
[27]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/08/19-lld-minu
tes.html#action02] [DONE]
[27] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/08/19-lld-minutes.html#action02
<antoine>
[28]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2010Aug/0074.h
tml
[28] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2
010Aug/0074.html
<scribe> New wiki pages on Library data resources and terminology
(Karen)
[29]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Library_Data_Resources
[29] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Library_Data_Resources
[30]http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/Library_terminology_informally_ex
plained
[30] http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/Library_terminology_informally_explained
karen: feel free to add to these
Upcoming topics
<antoine> ACTION: Gordon will prepare something on RDA, FRBR etc.
for discussion in Sept. agenda [recorded in
[31]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/29-lld-minu
tes.html#action06] [CONTINUES]
[31] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/29-lld-minutes.html#action06
[adjourned]
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: kai will try to update Karen's use case [recorded in
[32]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/08/26-lld-minu
tes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: Poten
tial attendees in Pittsburgh to use wiki page to
indicate whether they are attending or not at
[33]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/F2F recorded in
[34]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/08/26-lld-minu
tes.html#action01]
[33] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/F2F
[PENDING] ACTION: Everyone to elaborate on topics in the wiki
[recorded in
[35]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/08-lld-minu
tes.html#action08]
[PENDING] ACTION: Gordon will prepare something on RDA, FRBR etc.
for discussion in Sept
. agenda [recorded in
[36]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/29-lld-minu
tes.html#action06]
[35] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/08-lld-minutes.html#action08
[36] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/29-lld-minutes.html#action06
[DONE] ACTION: Everyone to create use cases on the "use case note"
page [37]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/UseCaseNotes. Not
more than 2 persons per case. Deadline august 25. [recorded in
[38]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/29-lld-minu
tes.html#action04]
&
nbsp; [DONE] ACTION: Marcia to post I2 comments to LLD list [recorded in
[39]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/08/19-lld-minu
tes.html#action02]
[37] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/UseCaseNotes.
[38] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/29-lld-minutes.html#action04
[39] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/08/19-lld-minutes.html#action02
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