Re: edge attributes in JSON-LD

I was thinking more along lines of something which dumbed down lossoly to
plain triples, but which could also be mapped into a named graph structure.
But I can't think of a plausible jsonld syntax so the issue may be moot...

On Sat, 31 Mar 2018, 10:18 Martynas Jusevičius, <martynas@atomgraph.com>
wrote:

> I think it would help to put away JSON (or any concrete syntax) and model
> this in plain RDF triples first.
>
> On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 1:03 AM, karlg <karl.geog@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Sub-classing schema.org Role, e.g. with SettingRole seems promising,
>> thanks
>>
>>
>>
>> kg
>>
>>
>>
>> {
>>
>>   "@context": "http://linkedpasts.org/lp-context.jsonld",
>>
>>   "@type": "Place",
>>
>>   "name": "Abingdon",
>>
>>   “properties”: {“p1”: “___”, ...}
>>
>>   "setting": [
>>
>>     {
>>
>>       "@type": "SettingRole",
>>
>>       "setting": {
>>
>>         "@type": "Place",
>>
>>         "name": "Berkshire"
>>
>>       },
>>
>>       "startDate": "1600",
>>
>>       "endYear": "1974"
>>
>>     },
>>
>>     {
>>
>>       "@type": "SettingRole",
>>
>>       "setting": {
>>
>>         "@type": "Place",
>>
>>         "name": "Oxfordshire"
>>
>>       },
>>
>>       "startDate": "1974",
>>
>>       "endYear": "2018"
>>
>>     }
>>
>>   ]
>>
>> }
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3/30/18, 4:36 PM, "Gregg Kellogg" <gregg@greggkellogg.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 30, 2018, at 3:09 PM, Karl Grossner <karl.geog@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Reopening this thread, as my current challenge relates closely:
>>
>> I'm modeling historical Place attestations for gazetteer applications,
>> and a potential linked.places JSON-LD modeling standard (a la linked.art).
>> The idea is to build upon GeoJSON-LD.
>>
>> Several attributes of Places are temporally indexed; i.e. may have a
>> 'valid period', but are not amenable to event models in the same way as
>> linked.art provenance is.
>>
>>
>>
>> From what I can tell, three options are @graph, n-ary relations, and
>> rdf:Statement reification. I've rendered some sample records below. My
>> question is whether there has emerged a best practice for this general
>> problem of edge attributes. Any comments welcome at this stage. I have been
>> having a conversation with @gklyne on this, here, which may (?) shed
>> further light. https://github.com/LinkedPasts/lp-network/issues/1
>>
>>
>>
>> While we could probably add something to perform reification on
>> expansion, or transformation to RDF, it’s not clear how that would allow
>> you to make statements about the statement, and it’s widely considered an
>> archaic mechanism. And, it would substantially complicate the already
>> complex API algorithms.
>>
>>
>>
>> The issue of edge attributes in JSON-LD is really no different than for
>> RDF in general. While there is no syntax for automatic reification of
>> statements, they can of course be represented in JSON-LD.
>>
>>
>>
>> The RDF 1.1 position is more likely that named graphs can be used for
>> this purpose, although there are no built-in semantics. (Basically, put the
>> statement in a named graph, and then make other meta-statements with the
>> graph name as a subject). Your approach 01 is essentially this.
>>
>>
>>
>> Schema.org takes another approach using the Role class (and sub-classes)
>> [1], and this can be used in JSON-LD to describe information about
>> relationships. This is what I’ve used in some of my own projects.
>>
>>
>>
>> Gregg
>>
>>
>>
>> [1] http://schema.org/Role
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> --------
>>
>> approach 01 (@graph; playground <https://tinyurl.com/y74p3pov> )
>>
>> {
>>   "@context": "http://linkedpasts.org/assets/place-v4-context.jsonld",
>>   "related": [
>>     { "@id": "http://linkedpasts.org/graphs/01",
>>       "@graph": {"@id":"myplace:Abingdon","part_of":"myplace:Berkshire"},
>>       "when": {
>>         "timespans":
>>             {
>>                       "earliestYear": "1600",
>>                       "latestYear": "1974",
>>                       "label": "from 17c. to 1974"
>>                     }
>>       }
>>     },
>>     { "@id": "http://linkedpasts.org/graphs/02",
>>       "@graph": {"@id":"myplace:Abingdon",
>> "part_of":"myplace:Oxfordshire"},
>>       "when": {
>>         "timespans":
>>             {
>>                       "earliestYear": "1974",
>>                       "latestYear": "2018",
>>                       "label": "from 1974"
>>                     }
>>       }
>>     },
>>     { "@id": "http://linkedpasts.org/graphs/03",
>>       "@graph": {"@id":"myplace:Oxford", "part_of":"myplace:Oxfordshire"},
>>       "when": {
>>           "timespans":
>>             {
>>                       "earliestYear": "1000",
>>                       "latestYear": "2018",
>>                       "label": "from 11c."
>>                     }
>>             }
>>     }
>>   ]
>> }
>>
>> approach 02 (per property graph example given in this thread)
>>
>> [
>>     {"@id": "", "@type": "rdf:BoundDataset"},
>>     {"@id": "p1", "name": "Abingdon", "type": "settlement",
>> "_:parent_p1p3":"p3", "_:parent_p1p4":"p4"},
>>     {"@id": "p2", "name": "Oxford", "type": "settlement",
>> "_:parent_p2p4": "p4"},
>>     {"@id": "p3", "name": "Berkshire", "type": "county"},
>>     {"@id": "p4", "name": "Oxfordshire", "type": "county"},
>>     {    "@id": "_:parent_p1p3",
>>         "rdfs:subPropertyOf": "hasParent",
>>         "earliestYear": 1600,
>>         "latestYear": 1974,
>>         "label": "from 17c. until 1974"},
>>     {    "@id": "_:parent_p1p4",
>>         "rdfs:subPropertyOf": "hasPparent",
>>         "earliestYear": 1974,
>>         "latestYear": 2018,
>>         "label": "from 1974"},
>>     {    "@id": "_:parent_p2p4",
>>         "rdfs:subPropertyOf": "hasParent",
>>         "earliestYear": 1000,
>>         "latestYear": 2018,
>>         "label": "from 11c."}
>> ]
>>
>>
>> ----
>>
>> Karl Grossner
>>
>> Technical Director,
>> World-Historical Gazetteer project for the
>>
>> University of Pittsburgh World History Center
>>
>> @kgeographer
>>
>> Denver, CO
>>
>>
>>
>>
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