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Re: json-ld.org playground updated

From: Dave Longley <dlongley@digitalbazaar.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 17:01:36 -0500
Message-ID: <4F19E440.9060704@digitalbazaar.com>
To: public-linked-json@w3.org
Ok, well it sounds like we should make this valid syntax, but if an API 
call is made on a document (eg: compact or expand), then a plain literal 
is always converted to a string. Does everything think this is the best 

On 01/20/2012 06:32 AM, Gregg Kellogg wrote:
> Sorry, not fully engaged here, and my mind is definitely mid-pacific. If {"@literal": "foo"} is banned, then how does one express a plain literal when the context has a default @language? Is it not possible to express a plain literal when the context has @language? I always presumed that this is how it would be done.
> Gregg
> On Jan 19, 2012, at 5:16 AM, Manu Sporny wrote:
>> On 01/18/12 15:05, Manu Sporny wrote:
>>> On 01/18/12 12:10, Alexandre Passant wrote:
>>>> It seems that @value is not rendered properly, e.g.
>>> Fixed:
>>> https://github.com/json-ld/json-ld.org/commit/8b930458dac3e69ddef5bba6b716a6cd76dcaa9e
>> After some discussion with Dave Longley, both of us feel that we should
>> kill this feature. It overly complicates the number of ways that you can
>> express a plain literal.
>> There is an argument that this should be valid: { "@value": "foo" }
>> However, it does two things:
>> 1. It complicates what developers have to deal with, now you can't just
>> check to see if the value is a string for a plain literal... you have to
>> check if it is a string, and if it isn't, you have to check to see if it
>> is an object containing an "@value" key and only that key.
>> 2. It complicates the expansion algorithm, instead of { "name": "foo" },
>> expanded form ends up being {"name": { "@value": "foo"}}
>> 3. The two items above thus complicate implementations.
>> While it's perfectly logical to interpret { "@value": "foo" } as a plain
>> literal, I don't think we should because it doesn't buy us anything
>> other than more complexity. We should keep it simple... plain literals
>> are expressed as strings in JSON-LD - always.
>> -- manu
>> -- 
>> Manu Sporny (skype: msporny, twitter: manusporny)
>> President/CEO - Digital Bazaar, Inc.
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Dave Longley
Digital Bazaar, Inc.
Received on Friday, 20 January 2012 22:02:05 UTC

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