- From: glenn mcdonald <glenn@furia.com>
- Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 01:45:11 +0000
- To: Gregg Kellogg <gregg@kellogg-assoc.com>
- Cc: Linked JSON <public-linked-json@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <CAHNbrUv0M2sgLUzpevd+GUbR3bEU2tkpFauM8L2TRA=EzF2_dw@mail.gmail.com>
> > Maybe we just need to invent terms that don't come loaded. My point was > that nodes may be externally addressable, and use URIs, or be internally > addressable, possibly using identifiers to reference them from within the > document. If it's linked data, and is externally addressable it MUST have a > URI. If it is only internally addressable, then it effectively has the same > semantics as a BNode. > "Blank Node" and "BNode" are so heavily loaded I assumed you meant them in the RDF sense, so yes, different words would be better. What about "relative" and "absolute" IRIs? That's the sense I mean: the nature of the identifier doesn't determine whether the data is "externally" addressable, as you can always convert a relative IRI to an absolute one by prefixing something. I still think it shouldn't be even a conceptual option to have a node *without* an identifier. Perhaps it should say "an entity with one or more values." My concern about > expressing ordering is that it is inherently a difficult thing to do in many > storage systems, and assuming that multi-valued relationships MUST be > ordered, is placing an unnecessary burden on systems where ordering is not > necessarily important. > I think supporting ordered target lists is pretty basic, personally, but I can see the argument for making this a SHOULD rather than a MUST. (But you have a MUST NOT about this in the JSON section, of course.) Yes, in JSON. In LD, [a predicate] SHOULD/MUST be a URI. > > I'm disagreeing with this LD premise. 9. An object is a node in a directed graph that may be a non-terminal or a > terminal node. > 10. An object which is a terminal node is called a literal. > 11. A literal may include a datatype or have a language. > > I think this node-or-literal thing is one of the big copouts in RDF (albeit > a perfectly understandable one given its resource-description origins). > Every logical piece of data in a dataset should be a typed node. The mapping > of these typed nodes to human-readable symbols is a different level or > dimension. It should be fundamentally impossible to say that the president > of the US is the string "Barack Obama". Multiple-language support also > belongs in this symbolic level, not the logical level, otherwise you get > inane things like not even being able to count how many objects you have for > a given subject and predicate because you have no way to tell how many of > them are translations of each other. And datatypes belong in a data-model, > not restated by every instance node (or, worse still, by every appearance of > an "object literal"). > > > Agreed. In the syntactic model (JSON) this can rely on structural elements > of the language. In the logical (Linked Data) model, I don't see how these > can be separated. > I'm not sure which "these" you mean at the end there. g
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