Re: Getting to closure on the remaining issues

* Alexandre Bertails <bertails@w3.org> [2014-01-23 15:07-0500]
> Hi Eric,
> 
> On 01/22/2014 09:09 PM, Eric Prud'hommeaux wrote:
> >* Arnaud Le Hors <lehors@us.ibm.com> [2014-01-22 15:36-0800]
> >>Hi all,
> >>
> >>As you all know we've been slipping off track with regard to our schedule
> >>to deliver a Recommendation by the time our WG expires (1 June 2014). We
> >>cannot afford any further slippage. See the timeline I laid out:
> >>http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2014.01.27#2nd_Last_Call_timeline
> >>
> >>What this means, practically, is that we no longer have time to
> >>investigate and debate issues at length. We HAVE to close every remaining
> >>issue one way or another. If we can't agree on a resolution then we will
> >>postpone the issue. Yes, that means we may have unresolved issues. Nothing
> >>is perfect.
> >>
> >>The good news is that while we still have several pending issues, I
> >>believe we can close them all quickly (yes, really). We've got proposals
> >>for all of them and it's "merely" a matter of getting these accepted.
> >>
> >>Of course this is only to get us to LC2 and there is no way to tell what
> >>will come out of it but that's beyond our control.
> >>
> >>In the agenda for next Monday I put forward a set of proposals on how to
> >>revolve every remaining issue:
> >>http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2014.01.27
> >
> >Persuant to the agendum for ISSUE-92 - Interaction Model, tests for
> >creation of sub-container
> >   <https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/tip/Test%20Cases/LDP%20Test%20Cases.html#TC-C11>
> >and archival of container
> >   <https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/tip/Test%20Cases/LDP%20Test%20Cases.html#TC-C12>
> >use these header specifications respectively:
> >   Link: val=<LDP1ContainerInteraction>; rel=profile
> >   Link: val=<LDP1ResourceInteraction>; rel=profile
> >
> >Here, <LDP1ResourceInteraction> stands for whatever the WG chooses to
> >identify the HTTP interactions defined in §5
> >   <https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/tip/ldp.html#h2_ldpr>
> >
> >and <LDP1ContainerInteraction> stands for whatever the WG chooses to
> >identify the HTTP interactions defined in §6
> >   <https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/tip/ldp.html#h2_ldpc>
> >
> >These are concrete test cases which I hope will appeal to the folks
> >waiting in the wings for something implementable.
> 
> To be clear, the proposal does not change the value for the
> rel=profile relation, except maybe for the typos in the spec
> http://www.w3.org/ns/ldp/Container as it's supposed to be
> http://www.w3.org/ns/ldp#Container :-) Same for ldp:Resource.
> 
> I know you wanted to avoid the confusion between the class and the
> object. 

make that "interaction model"

>         That would actually align with the rationale of changing
> rel=type to rel=interaction. That being said, I think it's fine to
> keep ldp:Resource/ldp:Container as values because a class is just a
> URI as others that can can be used as object. We would just make sure
> that by dereferencinng them, we found find the information about using
> them in the context of rel=profile and everything would be just fine.

Defenders of using "ldp:Container" to identify the interaction model
have stated that doesn't bind us to using only one interaction model
to manipulate properties of RDF nodes of type ldp:Container. I'm very
curious how they will support that in the text that comes back when
you dereference ldp:Container. I propose something like

"ldp:Container identifies a graph structure with the following schema.
It does not identify any particular interaction model for manipulating
nodes with that structure."


> Alexandre.
> 
> >
> >
> >>Be prepared to cast a vote on every one of them or accept not to have a
> >>say. I will not further delay resolution on these.
> >>
> >>I know this has been trying for everyone and it's been hard for some to
> >>stay on top of everything. The thing is I don't think the world would fall
> >>apart no matter how any of these decisions would go. So, let's just decide
> >>one way or another and move on.
> >>
> >>Thanks.
> >>--
> >>Arnaud  Le Hors - Software Standards Architect - IBM Software Group
> >
> 

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