- From: John C Klensin <klensin@jck.com>
- Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 12:39:03 -0400
- To: Shawn Steele <Shawn.Steele@microsoft.com>, Gervase Markham <gerv@mozilla.org>, "Jungshik SHIN (신정식)" <jshin1987@gmail.com>
- cc: Anne van Kesteren <annevk@annevk.nl>, public-iri@w3.org, uri@w3.org, idna-update@alvestrand.no, Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter@stpeter.im>, "www-tag.w3.org" <www-tag@w3.org>, Simon Montagu <smontagu@smontagu.org>
--On Wednesday, August 21, 2013 16:14 +0000 Shawn Steele <Shawn.Steele@microsoft.com> wrote: >> But I believe that it is. If there is a phishing problem in >> any particular TLD due to this change, then I place the blame >> for that squarely on the registry concerned. > > Historically users blamed the browsers, not the registrars for > things like the paypal-with-cyrillic-a homograph. Shawn, you can generalize from that to "historically, users blame either the software with which they directly interact or their blame their first-hop ISP" without any loss of information. Taking the Eszett problem as an example, if a registry decides to register a label containing an Eszett but block a similar one containing an "ss" (a rational, but probably not optimal, strategy by Mark's reasoning or mine), then the complaints will be about inaccessibility from an IDDA2003 or IDNA2008-with-UTR46-transition=on browser. If they allow "ss" but not Eszett, than someone using an IDNA2008 browser (with no transition tools) will be happy but someone expecting "ss" to just work will be unhappy with all browsers. That situation of course has the potential to provide clear feedback to registries, even though well down in the tree. If they sell or otherwise allocate and delegate names that often don't "work", they are likely to have trouble with their own customers and constituencies. Whether it is better to have browsers (and other UIs) lead or follow is not a simple question (although I clearly have biases about the right answer). This is ultimately a "lose either way" situation, a problem that was reasonably well understood and accepted when the IDNABIS WG made its decisions. The question is where on the curve one wants to fall and when. That question has no easy answers although it is clear to me that "IDNA2003 forever" isn't one of the reasonable ones. best, john
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