- From: iri issue tracker <trac+iri@trac.tools.ietf.org>
- Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 05:15:21 -0000
- To: draft-ietf-iri-bidi-guidelines@tools.ietf.org, duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp, shawnste@microsoft.com, adil@diwan.com
- Cc: public-iri@w3.org
#121: BIDI: Some users are requiring right-to-left label ordering.
Comment (by shawnste@…):
Well, I disagree with pretty much every point :)
* clearly everything won't be consistent because plain text that doesn't
know how to detect an IRI isn't going to behave as expected.
* I think that the importance isn't consistency between devices, but
rather the ability for users to consistently transcribe the IRI. That
includes not only display on devices, but input through whatever keyboards
from sticky notes that were transcribed by hand from an IRI on the side of
a bus.
* Related, I don't think they can be "unnatural".
* There's a lot of pressure to ensure that RTL domains are "correctly"
rendered in RTL fashion. So I think we'd get a better job of consistency
if the guidelines took that into account instead of having software
developers trying to do something "better" in an inconsistent fashion.
* Though fixing the BIDI Algorithm would help, it's not required. Indeed,
the proposed behavior uses bidi override marks to get the desired
behavior. The same thing can be done for RTL. Granted a better BIDI
algorithm for IRIs would make "plain text" better, but it’s not required.
* As noted, this isn’t necessarily easily gleaned from the script(s) being
used, as some cultural and user preferences also influence it.
I disagree that there’s anything particularly interesting about “safe”. I
think that as long as the sections are consistently from left to right or
right to left it doesn’t matter whether its drawn http://www.microsoft.com
or com.microsoft.www/ /:http. Indeed if that was the user preference,
independent of the actual script, then they’d always be consistent for
that user. If there does prove to be a spoofing problem with
http://www.spoof.me.com/com.microsoft.www//:http type things, those are
fairly easy for malware filters to detect. Also 90% of users can’t tell
that http://www.microsoft.safe-secure.com isn’t a great place to enter a
credit card #. At the machine level, the rendering is irrelevant since
it’s always stored the same way.
I really need an way, even optional if need be, of rendering for RTL
before I can "sign off" on this draft :)
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Reporter: shawnste@… | Owner: draft-ietf-iri-bidi-guidelines@…
Type: defect | Status: closed
Priority: major | Milestone:
Component: bidi- | Version:
guidelines | Resolution: wontfix
Severity: - |
Keywords: bidi |
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Ticket URL: <http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/iri/trac/ticket/121#comment:4>
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