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From: Matitiahu Allouche <matial@il.ibm.com>
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 21:04:30 +0300
To: "public-iri@w3.org" <public-iri@w3.org>
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I have a few comments.

1) Editorial: in the abstract, "in inherent" => "inherent"

2)  In section 1 "Introduction" appears the expression"logical 
representation". This is somewhat of an oxymoron IMHO. Usually, "logical" 
goes with "order" and "representation"  goes with "visual".
In the same paragraph, the expression "digital representation" is unclear 
to me.
I suggest the following:
<suggested text>
IRIs containing these characters (called bidirectional IRIs or Bidi IRIs) 
require additional attention because of the non-trivial relation between 
the logical order (used for storage, transmission and for 
reading/spelling) and the visual order (used for display/printing).

Because of the complex interaction between the logical order, the visual 
representation, and the syntax of a Bidi IRI, a balance is needed between 
various requirements.  The main requirements are

   1. user-predictable conversion from logical order to visual 
representation and vice versa;
<end of suggested text>

3) In section 2 "Logical Storage and Visual Presentation": the term 
"presentation" is used here versus "representation" in section 1. I 
suggest to use "presentation" uniformly.

4) In the same section 2, we find the sentence:
Also, a bidirectional relative IRI reference that only contains strong 
right-to-left characters and weak characters and that starts and ends with 
a strong right-to-left character and appears in a text with right-to-left 
base directionality (such as used for Arabic or Hebrew) and is preceded 
and followed by whitespace and strong characters does not need an 
<end of quote>
It seems to me that the same conclusion (does not need an embedding) holds 
whether the IRI appears in a text with RTL or LTR  base directionality.

5) In section 4 "Input of Bidi IRIs", we find the sentence:
During input, rendering SHOULD be updated after every new character is 
input to avoid end-user confusion.
<end of quote>
This assumes optimistically that updating the rendering after every new 
character is enough to avoid end-user confusion. I suggest to replace 
"avoid" by "reduce" or "minimize".

6) In section 7 "Security Considerations", we find the sentence:
Confusion can occur with bidirectional IRIs, if the restrictions in 
Section 3 are not followed.
<end of quote>
This seems to  imply that following the restrictions in section 3 is 
enough to prevent  confusion. Unfortunately, this is not true. In example 
10, the same visual presentation could result from a different logical 

Shalom (Regards),  Mati
           Bidi Architect
           Globalization Center Of Competency - Bidirectional Scripts
           IBM Israel
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