Re: [bidi] Re: BIDI?

For my mind, everyone is better off having a constant order over all IRIs.
As Mati points out, the ordering of IRI fields is arbitrary anyway. It is *
not* consistently big-endian; the most important part (the domain name) is
little-endian. People get used to such inconsistencies as long as they are
constant and predicatable.

Mark

*— Il meglio è l’inimico del bene —*


On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 11:43, Shawn Steele <Shawn.Steele@microsoft.com>wrote:

>  That seems to be the biggest factor (locale), though I’m hesitant to
> suggest it’s the only factor.
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> For example, an Arabic speaking coworker using an en-US box obviously has
> en-US locale preferences.  However they can change their IE address bar to
> “right to left reading order”.  Then you’re suddenly outside of the “locale”
> based assumptions.
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> Also, “locale” in some cases would be more appropriately the page than the
> user locale?  Eg: visiting an en-US web page may have a different behavior
> than an ar-EG web page?
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> -Shawn
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> *From:* Aharon (Vladimir) Lanin [mailto:aharon@google.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 27, 2011 11:31 AM
> *To:* Shawn Steele
> *Cc:* Mohamed Mohie; Matitiahu Allouche; bidi@unicode.org;
> bidi-bounce@unicode.org; Mark Davis ☕; public-iri@w3.org
> *Subject:* Re: [bidi] Re: BIDI?
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> So then we are talking about a locale property, not an (independent) user
> setting. I could buy that.
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> Aharon
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> On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 9:16 PM, Shawn Steele <Shawn.Steele@microsoft.com>
> wrote:
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> Ø  I think that the standard should be complete without relying on user
> preferences.
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> There seem to be clear differences in expectation, particularly between
> Hebrew and Arabic speakers.  It is possible to make a standard that is
> consistent and doesn’t vary.  However that standard might “look funny” to
> some users.  Worse, it seems that the preferences are biased by things like
> how much of a mathematician they are.  Probably all people going to
> http://www.zoo.org aren’t engineers/scientists, and that needs to be
> friendly to them.
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> I think this is similar to date or time formatting.  Yes, that’s “scary”,
> because we’re talking about an IRI after all, which is Important.  However
> if I get a check for $1.000, the distinction between . and , is also going
> to be important to me.
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> So an IRI advertising a musical on the side of a bus may be a little fuzzy
> to me if I don’t understand the culture.  However I need to know the culture
> to know whether to not bother typing in the IRI because 1/9/2011 has already
> passed, or to make reservations because that’d be a fun thing to do on my
> birthday.
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> -Shawn
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