- From: Mark Davis ☕ <mark@macchiato.com>
- Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 17:10:53 -0700
- To: public-iri@w3.org, bidi@unicode.org, Shawn Steele <Shawn.Steele@microsoft.com>, Murray Sargent <murrays@exchange.microsoft.com>, aharon@google.com
- Message-ID: <AANLkTimzIMbwCX4oOOQ2pz2wR5JWKk6AGboGgbn5Swc3@mail.gmail.com>
There has been some discussion of having a special ordering for BIDI URLs so that they are more understandable to users. (I'll use URL in the broad sense, as including non-ASCII characters.) This is a complicated issue, and I can't claim to have all the answers, but here are some thoughts on the issue. In the Unicode consortium, we've been aware of this issue, and have considered options a number of times over the years. However, we have not yet heard a good case for how supporting uniform field direction in URLs can be done without significant compatibility and security problems. There are some big stumbling blocks: - Many clients that display URLs will either not be URL aware, or not be aware of the latest standard, or not be able to parse out text as definitively belonging to a URL. - The specs have no termination criteria for parsing URLs in plain text. So http://abc.def#ghi could be "http://abc.def#ghi" or could be " http://abc.def#ghi* could*", since fragments can include spaces. (And in languages that don't use spaces to separate words, this is further complicated.) Different applications have different heuristics for this, but those heuristics don't always agree. - Many applications heuristically recognize fragment URLs, like " google.com". So in a broad sense, people understand a URL as "something that I could paste into an address bar in my browser and will get me to a page", and have the expectation that they will order similarly. That is, ordering "GOOGLE.COM" one way and "http://GOOGLE.COM" another would be confusing. Why is ordering a problem? Suppose I have the URL http://ABC.DEF. Currently, any application that displays BIDI will do it as either http://FED.CBA ( in a LTR environment) or FED.CBA://http in a RTL one. If an application starts to display it as http://CBA.FED, then it represents a significant security problem, since the user will think it is the different URL http://DEF.ABC. As long as there is significant percentage of old applications, there will be the opportunity for that problem. The same goes for LTR URLs in a RTL environment. Moreover, if I paste text between applications, even where the paragraph direction is constant, then the labels can flip in arbitrary ways if some applications support uniform direction and some don't. The challenge is to get all applications to consistently (a) be URL aware, and (b) all switch to some new display order in unison. It might be that someone can come up with a way to handle this, but we haven't heard of one yet. (Had the importance of URL syntax been known at the time the consortium came up with the BIDI algorithm, and were the IRI syntax determinant enough that the termination could always be recognized, even in the midst of plain text, we'd be in a different world.) But we're not. The best way to solve the problem that I can think of can be done right now. Any significant site that wants to support BIDI languages should provide for the ability to have IRIs with *all *RTL characters: host name, path, query, fragment. If all the pieces are RTL text (or infixed neutrals), than the display has a consistent direction in both RTL and LTR environment, no matter whether the application is URL-aware or not, and users won't be confused. Now that the TLD can be RTL, I think there will be pressure for the sites to do that, since completely-RTL IRIs will work much better in all environments. [The one real remaining piece is the scheme; the IRI is still understandable (though ugly) if it has to be ASCII, but it would be somewhat better if it could have a RTL alias. (Pure digit fields like IP addresses are a bit ugly, but seldom used.)] Another alternative would be to use a limited set of markup within URLs so as to preserve the right ordering. It would suffice to allow RTM and LTM characters around the neutral characters. Any BIDI URL could be normalized so as to include these characters in all and only the right places, by a compliant implementation. And once this was done, then the text can be cut and copies between applications with no change in appearance. However, one would come up with sufficient constraints on the use of these characters so as to prevent *their* being used for spoofing, and could have a problem with breakage on older implementations. (Although in a way, breaking is better than sending people to the wrong place.) Mark — Il meglio è l’inimico del bene —
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