- From: Larry Masinter <masinter@adobe.com>
- Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 04:37:18 -0700
- To: "PUBLIC-IRI@W3.ORG" <PUBLIC-IRI@w3.org>
While I am still hoping a working group isn't necessary, the fallback is to start an IETF working group. This message proposes an agenda for a meeting to form the working group ("BOF" at IETF 76) and a draft charter. Is there interest in participating in a BOF at the Hiroshima meeting? Please discuss on public-iri@w3.org. AGENDA: ======= The primary agenda is to review the charter and discover the level of community interest: 90 minute agenda * 10 minutes, Masinter Review of URI and IRI history & current documents * 20 minutes, Masinter & Duerst Review of IRI draft(s) and open issues * 20 minutes, Masinter Review of other drafts being coordinated with URI / IRI sections, and other committees, and schedules for these. * 20 minutes, discussion: which documents can be ignored, which other documents added? what other committees involved? * 20 minutes, Masinter Working group charter Hum on charter section by section AS IS vs NEEDS WORK vs NO WAY Show of interest in work in working group Proposed Working Group Charter MOTIVATION: =========== Having documents in conflict with widely deployed implementations is a general pain which we should work to correct. This working group proposal is specifically being made to address the problem that the current draft of the HTML 5 specification: http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html#urls in order to match current and expected browser behavior, contains a definition of the term "URL" and associated algorithms. For example, "NOTE: The term "URL" in this specification is used in a manner distinct from the precise technical meaning it is given in RFC 3986. Readers familiar with that RFC will find it easier to read this specification if they pretend the term "URL" as used herein is really called something else altogether. This is a willful violation of RFC 3986. [RFC3986]" In addition, several other specifications also have contained redefinitions of URI-like elements to match their own idea of what should or shouldn't be allowed in a URI when it is expanded to allow non-ASCII characters. The primary goal of this working group is to bring together the authors and editors of the multiple specifications being developed which have independent definitions of what is or isn't a valid (Uniform Internationalized) Resource (Identifier Locator) in a way that conservative producers can produce identifiers that will work with any number of consumers. The fact that the IETF documents for URI and IRI are, in fact, not suitable for direct citation by those wishing to describe deployed browser behavior seems like something the IETF can correct. Further goals are discussed in http://larry.masinter.net/iribis-hack.html, section 12 Charter ======= This working group is scoped to produce a new version of RFC 3987 IRI specification which can be used directly by future W3C XML and HTML specifications, as well as other IETF documents. Current Internet Draft draft-duerst-iri-bis-06 (see also http://larry.masinter.net/iribis-hack.html for update in prep ... will update agenda when ID is available) In addition, the working group MAY consider, if absolutely necessary to accomplish the goal, updates to RFC 3986 (URI) RFC 4395 (URI Guidelines), either within the IRI document (as an 'Updates') or as separate small update documents. NOTE that topics relating to URIs and IRIs not necessary to resolve IETF/W3C differences are Out of Scope. SCHEDULE: Review of Internet Draft(s) and selection of direction October 2009: Review of Internet Drafts and selection of ONE of the two directions December 2009: Working group Last Call March 2010: Publish IRI update as Draft Standard Documents for review by this group: ----------------------------------- As the PRIMARY role of this working group is to bring together a core group to resolve conflicts between various documents in preparation. For this reason the liaison function is most important: IETF HTTPBIS working group http://tools.ietf.org/wg/httpbis/charters preparing: draft-ietf-httpbis-p1-messaging-07 See section 9.2 on HTTP URI scheme HTML5 definition of "URLs" http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html#urls by W3C HTML Working Group charter: http://www.w3.org/html/wg/ URL/IRI issue: http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/56 and [WHATWG] http://www.whatwg.org/ Other Documents currently individual submissions draft-duerst-mailto-bis-06 IETF IDNABIS working group http://www.ietf.org/dyn/wg/charter/idnabis-charter.html W3C TAG issue: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/27
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