Re: Closing issue [arabicnum-03]

Hello Rasha,

Many thanks for your comments.

At 14:09 03/05/06 +0300, Rasha Morgan wrote:
>Hello Martin,
>Regarding numeric  shapes in the browser, they should follow the system
>settings,

I have a Japanese system, and don't remember having made such
a system setting. And you seem to imply that if such a system
setting is present, all the digits would appear as Arabic
digits. Fortunately for me, that's not the case. Even on the page
in question (http://www.w3.org/International/iri-edit/BidiExamples),
only digits in vicinity of Arabic characters change shape.
I'm not sure what the rule/algorithm is that Netscape uses for this.
I don't like undefined (and therefore unpredictable and varying)
behavior.


>so if it is contextual or national they should appear in Arabic
>digits. Otherwise they should appear in European digits.

Who made up this rule? Unicode clearly states otherwise, as I already
have explained (see below). And HTML and XML are based on Unicode.


>So Netscape is working properly, please don't ask to disable this feature.
>also IE behaves the same way.

In my case, IE doesn't, as I have explained before (see below).


>Numeric shapes are part of the country culture and should not be
>deprecated.

I haven't said anything that would deprecate Arabic(-Indic) digits.
Unicode has them, and anybody who wants to use them can use them.
However, I wanted the digits in my page, which are European digits,
to be displayed as European digits, and I think any browser (or other
application, for that matter) that tries to change this behind my
back is doing something wrong.

Regards,    Martin.



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>Martin Duerst <duerst@w3.org>@w3.org on 02/05/2003 23:57:44
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>Subject:    Closing issue [arabicnum-03]
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>This serves to close
>http://www.w3.org/International/iri-edit/#arabicnum-03.
>
>I had put this issue on the issues list because in examples
>7-9 of the BidiExamples page
>(http://www.w3.org/International/iri-edit/BidiExamples),
>I saw Arabic-Indic digits in the Arabic examples rather
>than the European digits that I was expecting.
>
>Further examination has shown that this is a browser issue.
>Netscape 7 (/Mozilla) is the only browser that I have found
>that converts digit shapes when displaying them. Tango,
>IE6, Safari, and Opera don't change digit shapes.
>
>Section 13.3 (http://www.unicode.org/book/ch13.pdf, p. 320)
>of Unicode 3.0 is clear that nominal behavior (not changing
>the glyphs used to display the digits) is correct, and
>using national digit shaping would only be acceptable if
>using the deprecated and strongly discouraged numeric
>shape selectors (which I have of course not used).
>So Netscape/Mozilla is wrong here, and should be fixed.
>I have told somebody in the i18n team at Netscape.
>
>I have added a note at the top of the BidiExamples page
>saying that a browser doing digit shaping correctly should
>be used. I have closed this issue.
>
>Regards,    Martin.

Received on Tuesday, 6 May 2003 10:48:05 UTC