- From: Michael Cooper <cooper@w3.org>
- Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2012 08:02:41 -0400
- To: Indie UI <public-indie-ui@w3.org>
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Minutes of the 6 June 2012 Indie UI meeting are posted to
http://www.w3.org/2012/06/06-indie-ui-minutes.html and copied below.
Indie UI
06 Jun 2012
See also: IRC log <http://www.w3.org/2012/06/06-indie-ui-irc>
Attendees
Present
Andy_Heath, Art_Barstow, Cooper, Doug_Schepers, Janina_Sajka,
Joseph_Scheuhammer, Rich, Sam_Joehl, jcraig
Regrets
Chair
Janina_Sajka
Scribe
MichaelC
Contents
* Topics <http://www.w3.org/2012/06/06-indie-ui-minutes.html#agenda>
1. Welcome & Introductions
<http://www.w3.org/2012/06/06-indie-ui-minutes.html#item01>
2. TF Overview; Relationship to Web Events and to WAI Indie UI
WG <http://www.w3.org/2012/06/06-indie-ui-minutes.html#item02>
3. Home page for TF
<http://www.w3.org/2012/06/06-indie-ui-minutes.html#item03>
4. Variants of spelling of "Indie UI"
<http://www.w3.org/2012/06/06-indie-ui-minutes.html#item04>
5. Teleconference time
<http://www.w3.org/2012/06/06-indie-ui-minutes.html#item05>
* Summary of Action Items
<http://www.w3.org/2012/06/06-indie-ui-minutes.html#ActionSummary>
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Welcome & Introductions
js: Janina Sajka, chair of Indie UI and Protocols and Formats
and will facilitate this task force initially
have worked in Linux foundation, DAISY / EPub
mc: Michael Cooper, staff contact to Indie UI, PF, WCAG
ds: Doug Schepers, staff contact to Web Events
and a bunch of others scribe missed
ah: Andy Heath, working in several accessibility standards organizations
<missed details>
js: Joseph Scheuhammer, IDRC in Toronto
have worked in a11y a long time, particularly Gnome
ab: Art Barstow, Nokia, co-chair Web Events and Web Applications
worked in W3C standards most of this century
jc: James Craig, Apple
also contributed to W3C on WCAG 2 and CSS 2
and recently in PFWG on ARIA
with a co-worker, wrote a starting proposal for deliverables of this group
rs: Rich Schwerdtfeger, CTO for IBM accessibility
have worked in a11y nearly 20 years
work in PFWG, HTML
IMS Global Learning Consortium
interested in device independent access to mobile
and IBM products should be able to move across devices without concern
about platform nuances
TF Overview; Relationship to Web Events and to WAI Indie UI WG
js: This is the Independent User Interface Task Force
there are two paths to participate, because two W3C groups collaborate
on this deliverable
Indie UI WG, set up as a spin-out from PFWG
and Web Events WG
expect the Indie UI home page to be pretty much as it is
http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/
most of the work will actually happen in this task force
<currently represented by http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/IUITF>
<http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/IUITF%3E>
we have the starter draft James submitted
we can adopt, modify, or restart
ultimately will have a deliverable
that will be published by the sponsoring WGs
<summarizes deliverables>
<see http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/#scope for details>
an event layer
and a way to communicate user preferences and configuration to Web App
need to address privacy and security concerns
ds: currently these deliverables are framed as accessibility oriented
suggest framing instead as jointly accessibility and web apps
our primary concern is universal applicabiltiy
<clown> +1
useful to people making any kind of content that would work on various
devices
js: agreed, we'll look at language
re recruiting, we do have a lot of accessibility people right now, want
to be sure we get representatives from other types of organizations as well
<shepazu> +1
rs: in addition to browser developers, we should recruit app developers
<shepazu> +1
to understand use cases etc.
jc: would also like to reach out to assistive technology developers
js: let's come back to these suggestions under recruiting topic
... on group structure
we do have some standard infrastructure used by W3C
have two staff contacts, one from each sponsoring WG
do plan to made task force decisions in teleconferences
though will offer a call for objections via mailing list and / or
web-based survey as well
my experience is that telecon discussions help to move some discussions
along more expeditiously
than email and other asynchronous channels
but don't want to pin us into specific tools or approaches
re Face to Face meetings
this group might be ready for one by TPAC in Oct / Nov 2012
so have reserved a slot in that meeting week
for editing, plan to use commit then review style
which is quicker than review than commit
but reserve right to modify the style if we see the need
note it does work well in some WGs
The group operates in public
the mailing list is self-subscribe so non-members can join discussion
if problems arise from that, we'll address them
ds: also plan to have a planning list for chairs and staff contacts
can use that list if you need to raise sensitive issues that shouldn't
be shared with group or archived publicly
will announce that list when it's set up
also, I suggest we give a week for calls for objection
easier for some people to work with than 48 hours, and doesn't impact
logistics much
js: sounds good
<ArtB> AB: http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/wiki/WorkMode
ab: work mode sounds good, and similar to Web Events
Home page for TF
-> http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/IUITF IUI TF work statement
mc: question of whether we should have a home page for the TF besides
the work statement
and want to get review of the proposed draft work statement
ultimately want the sponsoring WGs to approve it
ds: let's discuss this on email
so people have a chance to review
and copy Web Events
need to consider whether TF resolutions are binding on sponsoring
groups, or whether resolutions need to be co-ratified
I propose the TF resolutions be presumed approved by the sponsoring groups
after the call for objection expires
mc: does this mean we have to copy stuff to Web events?
ab: no, I'll make sure Web events people who care are directly involved
mc: well, Indie UI WG and TF overlap, so I have no concerns from that angle
but if DS and AB ok on Web Events side, I can be ok
but wonder if at least for TR publications, we should require ratification
ds: will look into Process formalities
<scribe> *ACTION:* shepazu to look at whether Process allows a TF to
make resolutions binding on a WG, including TF publications [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2012/06/06-indie-ui-minutes.html#action01]
mc: at least DS and AB should be present when such a resolution recorded
ds: at least one Web Events person should be
Variants of spelling of "Indie UI"
js: there are three ways Indie UI is spelled
Indie UI
IndieUI
indie-ui
will this be confusing?
<shepazu> NDUI (Neutral-Device User Interface) :)
in the IndieUI case, some AT will pronounce weird
does that matter?
I'm most worried about the IRC channel
jc: I prefer indie-ui for lower-case situations, and IndieUI for other
situations
didn't find that Indie UI variant really needed as a distinguisher from
IndieUI
mc: charter uses Indie UI, don't know if that can be changed, though
other instances could be
ds: think it can be
<clown> +1
*RESOLUTION: use "indie-ui" for lower-case-only situations, and
"IndieUI" for other situations, and drop "Indie UI"*
<scribe> *ACTION:* cooper to change instances of Indie UI to IndieUI
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/06/06-indie-ui-minutes.html#action02]
Teleconference time
js: this time was a first proposal
should there be another time?
<none suggested>
mc: let's make sure to poll list, since the people in this call are the
people who could attend this time
js: will do that
also, let's set up the second call even before the recurring time set up
propose next Wednesday at the same time
jc: regrets for next week
js: would want JC present at kick-off
<Sam Joehl joins>
sj: Sam Joehl, from SSB Bart group
js: should we have 60-minute or 90-minute calls?
think we have enough leftover agenda for a call next week anyways
js: Rich, IMS has stuff for us too?
<clown> http://www.imsglobal.org <http://www.imsglobal.org/>
rs: yes, they have stuff targeted to learner customization
shortly publish 3.0 version
<clown> http://www.imsglobal.org/accessibility/index.html
also in discussion to merge with APIP
<scribe> *ACTION:* janina to investigate possibility of Indie UI taking
up materials from IMS Access For All 3.0 and IMS APIP 1.0 [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2012/06/06-indie-ui-minutes.html#action03]
<clown> http://www.imsglobal.org/apip/index.html
jc: want to be sure meetings aren't so frequent or long that key players
avoid coming to them
so suggest once every other week for 60 minutes
mc: next week is exceptional because we're starting up
ds: so we meet this week, next week, the following, then go to every
other week
js: how long?
<general request is 60 minute calls>
Next meeting: Wednesday 13 July at 17:00 UTC for 60 minutes
ds: note we need to be sure people on the calls are formal participants
in the group
mc: for startup think we should be flexible but yes, we'll need to
enforce that when the work gets going
ds: if you're not already a member, please contact Michael or Doug
Summary of Action Items
*[NEW]* *ACTION:* cooper to change instances of Indie UI to IndieUI
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/06/06-indie-ui-minutes.html#action02]
*[NEW]* *ACTION:* janina to investigate possibility of Indie UI taking
up materials from IMS Access For All 3.0 and IMS APIP 1.0 [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2012/06/06-indie-ui-minutes.html#action03]
*[NEW]* *ACTION:* shepazu to look at whether Process allows a TF to make
resolutions binding on a WG, including TF publications [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2012/06/06-indie-ui-minutes.html#action01]
[End of minutes]
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Michael Cooper
Web Accessibility Specialist
World Wide Web Consortium, Web Accessibility Initiative
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Received on Friday, 8 June 2012 12:05:01 UTC