Re: Window on World

How is this different than a CAVE done on a single screen?  It's just 
positional tracking of the viewer point, yes, no rotations required?

I've done a lot of this with native coding on single projection screens 
and monitors using passive 3D, with depth cameras for head tracking, and 
to me this would be a great application of WebVR for things like public 
displays and the like.  And it does not have to be a world on the other 
side of the window, you can have objects appear closer than the display, 
as long as they stay in the view frustum and do not occlude at the edges.

It can be very effective even in mono - motion parallax when properly 
done relative to the real-world frame can give a tremendous feeling of 
depth without 3D.

So, yeah!

- Lorne

-- 
Lorne Covington
NOIRFLUX - Art in Interaction
http://noirflux.com



On 12/17/2018 3:04 PM, John D. Gwinner wrote:
>
> Douglas:
>
> I’m with you – I tried to call 360 video “FR” or “SR” (Filmed Reality 
> or Spherical Reality) to distinguish from VR (yea, I’m one of those 
> people), but that hasn’t caught on :)
>
> Hi Dan. That was exactly my intent!
>
> There are two eye/head trackers on the market that do this apparently.
>
>
> TrackIR, although their 3^rd party Unity plugin seems to have lapsed, and
>
> Tobii
>
> The latter does some pretty precise eye tracking, which could 
> implement the gaze cursor. It’s not a substitute for a mouse, but 
> we’re probably not doing pixel perfect eye tracking as a requirement 
> anyway.
>
> A combination of this setup and a Rudder 3D could be amazing on a 55” 
> 4K monitor on a desktop. Too bad 3D TV’s are gone now though, an LG 
> unit (passive polarized) would have been fantastic.
>
> Nell:
>
> Fantastic proposal. I’m reading it in depth now, will post to the 
> thread. It also seems to include “web pages viewed via immersive 
> headset” whereas I was thinking “screen at desk without headset”.
>
> Thank you! Subscribing to the thread.
>
>                 == John ==
>
> *From:* Douglas Blumeyer <douglas.blumeyer@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, December 17, 2018 11:44 AM
> *To:* Waliczek, Nell <nhw@amazon.com>
> *Cc:* Blair MacIntyre <bmacintyre@mozilla.com>; John D. Gwinner 
> <john@gwinner.org>; Ada Rose Cannon <ada@ada.is>; 
> public-immersive-web@w3.org
> *Subject:* Re: Window on World
>
> I've proposed the word "fenestragraph" at a handful of VR talks in the 
> Bay Area: https://cmloegcmluin.wordpress.com/2016/01/23/fenestragraph/
>
> Not as catchy, but more technical.
>
> On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 11:19 AM Waliczek, Nell <nhw@amazon.com 
> <mailto:nhw@amazon.com>> wrote:
>
>     That was roughly my thinking, too, when I filed this issue:
>     https://github.com/immersive-web/proposals/issues/31
>
>     *From: *Blair MacIntyre <bmacintyre@mozilla.com
>     <mailto:bmacintyre@mozilla.com>>
>     *Date: *Monday, December 17, 2018 at 11:15 AM
>     *To: *"john@gwinner.org <mailto:john@gwinner.org>"
>     <john@gwinner.org <mailto:john@gwinner.org>>, Ada Rose Cannon
>     <ada@ada.is <mailto:ada@ada.is>>
>     *Cc: *"public-immersive-web@w3.org
>     <mailto:public-immersive-web@w3.org>" <public-immersive-web@w3.org
>     <mailto:public-immersive-web@w3.org>>
>     *Subject: *Re: Window on World
>     *Resent-From: *<public-immersive-web@w3.org
>     <mailto:public-immersive-web@w3.org>>
>     *Resent-Date: *Monday, December 17, 2018 at 11:14 AM
>
>     In classic VR research, that tended to be referred to as "Fishtank
>     VR” … was popular when it was the only thing possible (using
>     shutter glasses and a synch’d display, exactly like modern 3D TVs).
>
>     The difference with it and what’s been referred to as diorama mode
>     is that the diorama’s are “fish tanks displayed in a full 3D
>     display” (e.g., 6 DOF AR or VR)  vs “a 3D world anchored to a
>     real-world display”. From a programmer viewpoint, it may not
>     matter much;  both would likely be used from a web page with the
>     expectation of the user not being immersed “in” the world.  And
>     both would receive the user head-pose relative to the
>     display/diarama/fishtank, rather than in a separate external 3D
>     coordinate system.
>
>     This also feels like what zspace displays would use.
>
>     ---
>     Blair MacIntyre
>     Principle Research Scientist
>
>     https://pronoun.is/he/him
>     https://blairmacintyre.me
>
>     On Dec 17, 2018, 1:44 PM -0500, Ada Rose Cannon <ada@ada.is
>     <mailto:ada@ada.is>>, wrote:
>
>         Unless I am misunderstanding you, we've been referring to this
>         mode as diorama mode.
>
>         There was some discussion on it at TPAC.
>
>         Ada
>
>         On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 at 18:37, John D. Gwinner
>         <john@gwinner.org <mailto:john@gwinner.org>> wrote:
>
>             Has there been consideration for “Window on World” rendering?
>
>             In other words, a flat or curved display screen, with some
>             kind of head/eye tracker, and possibly 3D glasses, that
>             would render as a “window” to a real 3D world behind the
>             monitor?
>
>             I tried some searches and got nowhere …
>
>             There are at least two head trackers on the market that
>             seem to offer this type of environment, currently just
>             used for games. I didn’t see that any browsers support this.
>
>
>             The reason I’m asking is mainly for Enterprise Data
>             visualization. It would be far more comfortable to work in
>             front of a large screen for hours than wear a headset at
>             work for the same amount of time.
>
>             == John ==
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>              
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