Re: [EXTERNAL] Immersive Web Working Group Teleconference - 2020-07-14

Adding agenda item webxr#997.

Call Agenda

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  *   WebXR Working Draft
  *   hit-test#66 Can "point" just be subsumed into "mesh"?<https://github.com/immersive-web/hit-test/issues/66> requested by blairmacintyre<https://github.com/immersive-web/hit-test/issues/66#issuecomment-651376365>

need to revisit this, especially as ARKit has again expanded the range of possibilities and this is too restrictive.

  *   layers#174 getSubImage / getViewSubImage need to be called every frame<https://github.com/immersive-web/layers/issues/174> requested by cabanier<https://github.com/immersive-web/layers/issues/174#issuecomment-657000428>

What should be the behavior of the color and depth textures?

  *   layers#175 Should spatial audio work in media layers?<https://github.com/immersive-web/layers/issues/175> requested by cabanier<https://github.com/immersive-web/layers/issues/175#issuecomment-657000220>

Should spatial audio work in media layers?

  *   webxr#997 What should we do about hand input sources where "select" and "squeeze" are confusable?<https://github.com/immersive-web/webxr/issues/997> requested by Manishearth<https://github.com/immersive-web/webxr/issues/997#issuecomment-656825335>

to discuss this with stakeholders present

@mrdoob @RaananW @thetuvix @cabanier @Artyom17 Would y'all be able to make it to next week's call (12PM PST Tuesday). I'd like to discuss this with all of you present. @mrdoob and @RaananW if y'all don't have connection info for the call please email me (manish@mozilla.com<mailto:manish@mozilla.com>) or otherwise contact a group member to share it with you.

A thing I do think is worth noting is that while "hand input sources only expose select" is suboptimal it's not terrible, code might need to be tweaked to use select for local interaction as well.

@thetuvix @cabanier it would also be nice to know if it's at all possible for the platform to expose distinct select/squeeze guestures, as well. I know this might go against platform conventions, but it's worth exploring.

<https://github.com/immersive-web/administrivia/blob/master/meetings/wg/2020-07-14-Immersive_Web_Working_Group_Teleconference-agenda.md#immersive-web-working-group-teleconference---2020-07-14>Immersive Web Working Group Teleconference - 2020-07-14
San Francisco (U.S.A. - California)     Tuesday, July 14, 12:00 PM PDT
Boston (U.S.A. - Massachusetts) Tuesday, July 14, 3:00 PM EDT
London (United Kingdom - England)       Tuesday, July 14, 8:00 PM GMT+1
Paris (France)  Tuesday, July 14, 9:00 PM GMT+2
Tokyo (Japan)   Wednesday, July 15, 4:00 AM GMT+9
Corresponding UTC (GMT) Tuesday, July 14, 7:00 PM UTC
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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Immersive Web Working Group Teleconference - 2020-07-14

Call Agenda

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  *   WebXR Working Draft

  *   hit-test#66 Can "point" just be subsumed into "mesh"?<https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fimmersive-web%2Fhit-test%2Fissues%2F66&data=02%7C01%7CAysegul.Yonet%40microsoft.com%7Ce5b677a1b26544ef329408d827840521%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637302795275270846&sdata=G6e%2F2UmeeueVeOYVxa9teGBX6gn13kKvTxLRVIf7FB8%3D&reserved=0> requested by blairmacintyre<https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fimmersive-web%2Fhit-test%2Fissues%2F66%23issuecomment-651376365&data=02%7C01%7CAysegul.Yonet%40microsoft.com%7Ce5b677a1b26544ef329408d827840521%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637302795275280839&sdata=sUCQAZ%2Fb6pe7V8ES3QfKThuYmzSWJRWZt7ckRzSbeFw%3D&reserved=0>

need to revisit this, especially as ARKit has again expanded the range of possibilities and this is too restrictive.

  *   layers#174 getSubImage / getViewSubImage need to be called every frame<https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fimmersive-web%2Flayers%2Fissues%2F174&data=02%7C01%7CAysegul.Yonet%40microsoft.com%7Ce5b677a1b26544ef329408d827840521%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637302795275280839&sdata=GzCsJnPnuf7j9WC8DMcqcCrb56tnYmwkawDiqt%2BEAxw%3D&reserved=0> requested by cabanier<https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fimmersive-web%2Flayers%2Fissues%2F174%23issuecomment-657000428&data=02%7C01%7CAysegul.Yonet%40microsoft.com%7Ce5b677a1b26544ef329408d827840521%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637302795275290835&sdata=ZkDV7gx6sgIIf8KlzKk2Qdp22%2B8Le%2BkOlNk6ug5w9mk%3D&reserved=0>

What should be the behavior of the color and depth textures?

  *   layers#175 Should spatial audio work in media layers?<https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fimmersive-web%2Flayers%2Fissues%2F175&data=02%7C01%7CAysegul.Yonet%40microsoft.com%7Ce5b677a1b26544ef329408d827840521%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637302795275290835&sdata=UyzZeMTdoewFT740CWk2Ikqk9Vm7vG32hB25DvJKV4s%3D&reserved=0> requested by cabanier<https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fimmersive-web%2Flayers%2Fissues%2F175%23issuecomment-657000220&data=02%7C01%7CAysegul.Yonet%40microsoft.com%7Ce5b677a1b26544ef329408d827840521%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637302795275290835&sdata=UwQiMkQhC%2BGbKALesQFE9E0WRUd3CQTFWXYzdGSPAsg%3D&reserved=0>

Should spatial audio work in media layers?

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