- From: Dan Connolly <connolly@w3.org>
- Date: 03 Jul 2003 17:28:25 -0500
- To: public-ietf-w3c@w3.org
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[1]W3C * [2]IETF * prev: [3]March 2003
[1] http://www.w3.org/
[2] http://www.ietf.org/
[3] http://www.w3.org/2003/03/13-ietf-w3c.html
W3C/IETF Teleconference 17 June 2003
Agenda
1. [4]Admin: attendance
2. [5]Admin: Mailing Lists
3. [6]MIME type registration procedure
4. [7]Names of W3C ietf-drafts
5. [8]internationalization in protocol elements
6. [9]URI maintenance team
7. [10]next meeting (next IETF is November 9-14)
postscript: in preparing the record, Connolly noticed that [11]Asking
IANA to maintain tidy URIs was not carried forward from 13 March.
[11] http://www.w3.org/2003/03/13-ietf-w3c.html#iana-uri
Summary
Administrative: Attendance
* Tim Berners-Lee
* Dan Connolly (chair, scribe)
* Leslie Daigle
* Martin Dürst
* Ted Hardie
* Michael Mealing
* Joseph Reagle
Administrative: Mailing Lists
ACTION Ned Freed: investigate private archiving for IETF hosted
list.
from [12]13 March
[12] http://www.w3.org/2003/03/13-ietf-w3c.html#Administra
Daigle reported that the IETF now has facilities for list archives of
various sorts.
ACTION Hardie: set up an http archive of w3c-policy@apps.ietf.org
readable by the subscribers
MIME type registration procedure
Ned Freed: try to last call [13]the document today and champion
this issue at he upcoming Sunday IESG meeting.
[13] http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-freed-mime-p4-00.txt
from [14]13 March
[14] http://www.w3.org/2003/03/13-ietf-w3c.html#mediatypes
Freed reported via email...
I received lots of feedback on draft-freed-mime-p4-01.txt at the
last IETF, so much that it wasn't practical to proceed with a last
call at that time. I subsequently worked my way through the various
comments and released a new (-01) version that hopefully addresses
all the issues.
IETF policy is that ADs don't handle their own documents. As such,
I asked Ted Hardie to review and last call the document.
I therefore consider this action item done, with the ball now in
Ted's court.
Hardy confirmed that he's now the shepherding Area Director, and noted
that the [15]status is "Publication Requested", and that it was headed
for Best Current Practice (BCP) status, at which point it would be
policy.
[15] https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/pidtracker.cgi?command=search_list&search_job_owner=0&search_group_acronym=&search_status_id=&search_cur_state=&sub_state_id=6&search_filename=freed-mime-p4&search_rfcnumber=&search_area_acronym=&search_button=SEARCH
The [16]6 June draft is available.
[16] http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-freed-mime-p4-01.txt
Connolly asked Reagle what needed to happen before it was useful for
his work on XENC. Reagle said he only needed for it to be effective
policy; "BCP" versus standards-track was not critical for his use.
Connolly asked Hardie to estimate when it would go to last call.
Hardie agreed to provide an estimate by email, noting that it would
most likely be after the July IETF meeting in Vienna. ACTION Hardie:
estimate last call on draft-freed-mime-p4-*.
Hardie noted that since it's an individual submission, last call would
be 4 weeks, rather than 2 weeks as for working group documents.
Ned Freed: refresh the status of the SMIL solicitation on the IESG
agenda.
from [17]13 March
[17] http://www.w3.org/2003/03/13-ietf-w3c.html#mediatypes
Hardie observed some progress on the [18]status of the [19]smil draft;
records seem to indicate that another draft was due from the author
(Hoschka) though noone present knew what needed to be fixed. ACTION
Hardie: enquire with IESG members such as Harald about what's expected
in a new smil draft, and whether the author has been notified.
[18] https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/pidtracker.cgi?command=search_list&search_job_owner=0&search_group_acronym=&search_status_id=&search_cur_state=&sub_state_id=6&search_filename=smil&search_rfcnumber=&search_area_acronym=&search_button=SEARCH
[19] http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-hoschka-smil-media-type-11.txt
Connolly noted, with appreciation, that the IETF datatracker now uses
GET for its searches, so the results can, for example, be linked from
this record.
Names of W3C ietf-drafts
Alison Mankin: bring up this issue to the IESG for confirmation and
report back to w3c-policy@apps.ietf.org, with possibility of asking
Joseph Reagle to reflect this resolution in W3C Guidebook.
from [20]13 March
[20] http://www.w3.org/2003/03/13-ietf-w3c.html#names
Daigle reported that discussion in the IESG raised some issues,
including how the IETF would recongnie what was a W3C draft.
Connolly suggested that the idea was more trouble than it was worth.
The matter was dropped.
internationalization in protocol elements
ACTION Martin Dürst: review the draft-iap-char-rep, and then
coordinate with Ted Hardie and Leslie Daigle on next steps.
from [21]13 March
[21] http://www.w3.org/2003/03/13-ietf-w3c.html#iab-i18n
Daigle reported on discussion beween Hardie, Dürst and herself in
March. ACTION Daigle: update this forum on next steps
URI maintenance team
Hardie reported on movement away from the "one-size-fits-all" style
for IETF WGs. For new URI schemes, trying to clear the process and
backlog for new URI schemes. A problem has been that even thought
there is a [22]URI review forum, the process as it stands is that it
comes in to the RDC editor as an individual submission, the editor
turns it over to an IESG stuckee, who then replies with the suggested
disposition. (publish, publish with note prepended, etc...). Often the
stuckee turns to the URI review group.
[22] https://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/working-groups/uri-review/current/maillist.html
Problems have been: useful responses from URI review group have met
with mixed responses from the original authors. The idea of a
long-lived mainainance team might work better. The URI maintenance
team would have responsibility to reach closure; It would have the
same appeal systems as a WG.
Connolly asked what motivates/pays the uri review team? Hardie
responded that it fits into the process better as a WG - and this
might justify people's time better.
Connolly asked about candidates for chair. Hardie suggested perhaps
Daigle, but Daigle was reluctant.
Hardie noted the coordination challenges in this work; e.g. a "dns"
URI scheme; it has undergone 5 draft revisions during review in
uri-review and on the DNS extensions list (namedroppers).
Connolly noted that in addition to those challenges, uri scheme
designers are not very motivated to write Internet Draft
specifications of their schemes in the first place; the schemes don't
rely on the registry for operation, except in the case of a collision,
which seems rare in practice. Connolly noted another "dns:" scheme in
the implementation of the rebol programming language. Perhaps making
an example of this collision would motivate scheme designers to
register their schemes.
Hardie noted with regret lack of progress on the vnd- branch of the
URI tree. Ian King was the original author, but it got lost within the
IESG.
Hardie asked for confirmation that a URI scheme maintenance team
wouldn't "tread on W3C's toes". Connolly and Berners-Lee confirmed;
Berners-Lee explored the idea of an explicit liaison with the W3C TAG;
Connolly suggested that as long as the idea was discussed in the W3C
URI Coordination Group, the right connections would be established as
a matter of course. ACTION Mealling: raise the "uri maintenance team"
idea in the W3C URI CG.
Hardie noted in passing the discussions in the [23]problem-statement
forum, but suggested that shouldn't prevent this maintenance team from
going forward. Others on the call expressed curiosity, but there
wasn't time to explore the matter further.
[23] http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/problem-charter.html
next meeting (next IETF is November 9-14)
RESOLVED to meet next [24]Wednesday, October 8, 2003, at 1:00:00 PM
Boston time (1700Z) for up to 90 minutes. Daigle to prepare an agenda.
Connolly to arrange teleconference and IRC facilities.
[24] http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=8&month=10&year=2003&hour=13&min=0&sec=0&p1=43
In closing, Connolly re-iterated the process for review of records:
Connolly sends a draft; after 7 day review, it goes public [to
public-ietf-w3c@w3.org]
Dan Connolly, 17 Jun 2003
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