- From: Coralie Mercier <coralie@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 20:35:56 +0200
- To: Inclusion and Diversity Community Group <public-idcg@w3.org>
> On 14 Jul 2020, at 17:44 , Léonie Watson <lwatson@tetralogical.com> wrote:
> […]
>
> Day: Thursday 16 July 2020 Time: 3PM UTC (Please convert to your local time)
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> 1. Meeting during virtual TPAC.
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> Do we want to have a virtual TPAC meeting, and would we like to make it a joint meeting with the Positive Work Environment (PWE) WG?
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> 2. Results of the vote about the statement.
>
> The results of the vote and, if the decision is to send it to the AC, our next steps.
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> 3. Progress on action issues:
> https://github.com/w3c/idcg/issues/
The minutes from today’s meeting are available:
https://www.w3.org/2020/07/16-idcg-minutes.html
Text version:
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ID CG wekly meeting
16 July 2020
[2]IRC log.
[2] https://www.w3.org/2020/07/16-idcg-irc
Attendees
Present
amy, annette, Barb, chaals, Coralie, cwilso, Dan
Appelquist, jeff__, Joey, Judy, marisa, melanierichards,
Tzviya, wseltzer
Regrets
Emmanuelle, Leonie
Chair
Coralie
Scribe
chaals, jeff__, koalie
Contents
1. [3]Meeting during virtual TPAC
1. [4]joint meeting with PWE CG
2. [5]Results of the vote about the statement
3. [6]Progress on action issues
Meeting minutes
koalie: [introduces agenda]
[No additions proposed]
Meeting during virtual TPAC
koalie: TPAC is virtual this year. Do we have enough material
to want to organise a meeting, and should we try to join that
with Positive Work Environment CG?
<dka_> +1 to having a meeting
Jeff: Physical TPAC helps re-energise community. It is harder
in a virtual meeting but I think there is value in holding a
meeting to remind people that we need more involvement to get
more work done. So rather than a meeting it should be about
getting people to show up and re-commit.
<amy> +1 to having a meeting
Judy: Few ways to take advantage of TPAC. I like the idea of
getting the word out more. We can do planning maybe in
conjunction with PWE CG, or a larger get-together for people
who want to check out the topic and learn more...
… not fussed how it turns out exactly, maybe multiple would be
good.
Tzviya: I think it is an opportunity for outreach, a lot of
people are not aware of what we are doing. Would like to have
joint meeting with PWE CG. We get large turnouts and people
talk about concerns, wil be reassuring fopr people to hear we
are doing something.
<Zakim> chaals, you wanted to oppose meeting.
Chaals: I oppose a meeting
… telling people we are doing something is useful
… Tzviya's point is a good point
… but virtual meetings have more pressure on time
… physical meetings can negotiate time better
… more inclusive
… competing harder with what TPAC is for
… x-group meetings
… in a sense inclusion and diversity is x-group
… so it fits
… it is important
… nervous about getting people's time.
… if people can't do work because they are busy that's a
problem too
Dan: Support having something, maybe we can do something more
than just engage with existing W3C community, and use this to
bring in a wider group to talk about how W3C can be more
welcoming to participation from people we don't normally
have.at the event.
… reiterating what we are doing here is not so interesting
compared to hearing from new voices.
koalie: Chaals would you be more comfortable if we went in
Dan's proposed direction or organising a breakout instead?
chaals: yes and yes
joint meeting with PWE CG
koalie: Tzviya, Judy expressed some support for joint meeting.
Should we find time to do that?
<BarbH> +1
<amy> +1 to a joint meeting because the topics/areas overlap
Tzviya: That would be great.
<dka_> +1 to a joint meeting
<chaals> +1 to joint meeting if we are meeting.
<koalie> +1
<annette_g> +1, amount of time depending on need
<wendyreid> +1
JB: +1 (put an IRC comment elsewhere…)
koalie: Anything else on this topic?
Results of the vote about the statement
<koalie> [7]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/internal-idcg/
2020Jul/0080.html
[7] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/internal-idcg/2020Jul/0080.html
koalie: Tallied numbers, the revised statement proposal
referred above has all support and no objection, seems like we
have a statement.
koalie: W3M thinks that statement is worth supporting in this
forum, was going to advise W3C AB about this.
… we aim to put this in front of AC for review, and if there is
support we would make the statement formally on behalf of W3C.
<Zakim> jeff__, you wanted to update on the AB discussion
Jeff: Update to the AB took place, the AB was quietly
supportive, and have also suggested that AC review time should
revert to 4 weeks now from the temporary 6 weeks we had been
using.
koalie: We have a statement, next step is to start a review
that we can do on Monday, so then 4 weeks and we can assess the
results of that review and W3C will report on that here then.
Jeff: There has now been a post on IDCG who characterised the
statement as paternalistic. This came in after review period,
but it would be prudent for a chair to respond.
WendyReid: I think the criticism from Emmanuelle is fair, and
will be repeated. Maybe something we need to include is to
express the intention that we want to respond to today's
issues, keeping an eye on our activity. to make sure we are
supportive of a community that right now we think is looking
for statements of support.
<amy> I would caution to use some words like "minorities" for
complex reasons. I know mostly it's understood in a positive
way but it can be co-opted by some bad faith actors too
Dan: The paragraph Emanuelle suggested we delete is a key
paragraph and do not support deleting it.
<amy> +1 to dan's point (I do not support deleting this
paragraph)
<wendyreid> +1 to Dan
<wseltzer> [I support sending the statement for review as-is]
<wseltzer> [including the key sentence]
Judy: Agree with Dan that I wouldn't want to remove the
paragraph, but wonder, if Wendy thinks we will get more
comments along the same lines, whether there is a way we can
resolve it without doing a lot of wordsmithing here.
<koalie> +1 to Dan
WendyR: Think the response veers into the "but all lives
matters" responses that we should expect to get.
… We are not targeting a particular group to the exclusion of
others - colourblindness is not enough, as WendyS says. But we
will get more of this.
Marisa: Don't think we need to take on a response to things
that feel like " but all lives matter"… The goal here is to
make a timely statement in response to a partiucular question
(DO black lives matter? Yes), not a specific privileging of one
group over all others
<amy> it's a great point, and maybe a response to Emmanuellle,
that this is about a specific time/context not a general
manifesto
koalie: Yes we need to explain that
Tzviya: we will need to do that, expecially in coutnries where
BLM is not as prominent
… Where this is daily news it will have different resonance to
that people have in countries where this isn't the big news
item.
… We will need to craft a careful explanation of why this
statement today.
Jeff: Agree we should cover this in a cover letter, carefully
drafted.
… A downside is that we could call more attention to the issue
and create a larger backlash. Caution...
<annette_g> +1 to Jeff
Progress on action issues
koalie: Léonie took everything we discussed and raised github
issues, adding some assignees. I have understood that we can
bridge the W3C profiles with Github - if your github handle is
linked to your profile that helps us manage more effectively
and give you proper access.
Judy: Followed the instructions but I am apparently still
blocked from creating sub-pages on the wiki...
<koalie> [8]https://github.com/w3c/idcg/
issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+no%3Aassignee
[8] https://github.com/w3c/idcg/issues?q=is:issue+is:open+no:assignee
koalie: Please look at issues without assignees, so you can
volunteer for something now if you would like to...
Judy: When Léonie made issues she preserved the info in the
original info including additional people interested in
helping, not just "lead" - some of that seems to have
disappeared now :(
<jeff__> [I volunteer for issue #9]
koalie: If you want to sign up for something please speak up,
and I hope we manage to get the lost info back too
<annette_g> I volunteer to help with issue 16
<amy> I am happy to help add to issue #17 as I did some
separate research on that
[<chaals> I volunteer for #9 IE waiver, and #15 terminology]
koalie: Are the issues Judy raised from our actions, or
broader?
<tzviya> i vounteer on 16, reading
koalie: issue 12 establish partnerships has nobody attached...
<marisa> offer to help with #17
<dka_> volunteering for mentoring issue
koalie: Issue #13 promote discussions?
<wendyreid> [I'll volunteer for 13!]
<melanierichards> I can volunteer to help with #13
<melanierichards> GH username: melanierichards
Judy: I suggested a meta description of actions that went into
our statement. Promoting discussions could fit under learning
or outreach, I am interested in helping either way. I am happy
to do coordination on outreach as a blanket area.
… I think Vagner and maybe Barbara were interested in this too.
<marisa> offer to help with #22
<BarbH> Yes I am interested in Outreach and Welcoming
<annette_g> I was volunteering for the reading list
koalie: Joey, thank you for joining.
[Joey can help in issue 15 review terminology]
koalie: So have wee now covered all of them?
<koalie> [9]https://github.com/w3c/idcg/
issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+
[9] https://github.com/w3c/idcg/issues?q=is:issue+is:open+
<Judy> Annette, here is where the reading list work is
happening: [10]https://github.com/w3c/PWETF/blob/master/
ReferencesAndResources.md
[10] https://github.com/w3c/PWETF/blob/master/ReferencesAndResources.md
<amy> amyvdh
Jeff: curious if there is an update on how much money the
diversity fund has raised so far
WendyR: Have weput out call for donations?
koalie: Yes, most recently when we opened TPAC registration.
… We have pledges of about 12k including W3C's 5k
Jeff: Good.
<Judy> Issue #16: [11]https://github.com/w3c/idcg/issues/16
[11] https://github.com/w3c/idcg/issues/16
<Zakim> Judy, you wanted to give an update with Tzviya on Issue
#16, Curate Reading Lists, and to request additions on some
kinds of resouces
<koalie> [12]Curate reading lists #16
[12] https://github.com/w3c/idcg/issues/16
<tzviya> [13]https://github.com/w3c/PWETF/blob/master/
ReferencesAndResources.md
[13] https://github.com/w3c/PWETF/blob/master/ReferencesAndResources.md
Judy: On issue 16 curating a reading list Tzviya and I have
been organising, populating race and tech links of various
kinds.
… got interested because of the ERB/EAB discussion trying to
find references on that. Looked for a model statement, found
some references talking about diversity on organisational
boards.
… Concept of colourism came up as a global issue related to
Black Lives Matter. Looking for good non-US articles / research
on it. Invite people especially who have non US-centric
reference collections to add references
Tzviya: This came from the Code of Conduct work, leaving in
references related to that as we build up more diverse linking.
I was adding stuff about sexual assault and sexual harassment.
If you want feedback on whether something is useful, please
ask, but also please feel free to just add stuff you think is
relevant.
<amy> i wonder if we want to reach out to our team and
colleagues in South Asia about issues kind of related to
colorism. i was just reading about issues in Silicon Valley
about bias around caste
<koalie> [14]Extend the diversity fundExtend the diversity fund
#8
[14] https://github.com/w3c/idcg/issues/8
<amy> [15]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/14/opinion/
caste-cisco-indian-americans-discrimination.html
[15] https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/14/opinion/caste-cisco-indian-americans-discrimination.html
WendyR: Diversity fund issue - I believe we have outlined what
we want the fund to cover. Is next thing to open applications?
… What's the next step to get that sent out so we can get
submissions.
koalie: I think that is my action item, and in a month will be
in a better position to know how much there is in the fund.
When I asked for sponsorship I said we would use the same
framework as last year - mid August I will create application
form, working in this forum for feedback.
WendyR: Happy to help...
<wendyreid> [16]https://github.com/w3c/idcg/issues/8
[16] https://github.com/w3c/idcg/issues/8
Dan: Can we then close that issue, or are we going to keep
using it to track what we are doing. I.e. do we mark it to say
where it is in progress, do we close it now because we have
sorted it for now, …? Meta process question
koalie: Yeah… think we can close it.
Dan: There is more work to do still. We could label a proposed
closure step. Maybe we should talk about this with Léonie.
koalie: Let's defer the discussion until Léonie is available,
as I don't know how she intended to proceed.
Judy: Can you sort issues alphabetically or by number?
… on partnership I am interested.
… started doing some outreach.
… There are things mapping against the meta categories, that is
what the home page of the wiki uses for organisation. Going to
try to map that too.
… Issue 10, outreach, I will make a subpage and look for people
who expressed interest.
Tzviya: I cannot add Judy, Amy or Joey as assignees at the
moment.
koalie: I will chase this up with systems team
<JoeyS> My github is JGSal does that help?
<JoeyS> *JoGSal
<amy> thanks Coralie!
<koalie> thanks chaals for scribing
<koalie> and all for attending
<amy> i assigned myself to issue 17
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