WSTF Teleconference Notes

Session Start (irc.w3.org:#i18n): Thu Nov 04 15:57:07 2004
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*** Users on #i18n: apphillips Zakim Tex MJDuerst 
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* apphillips zakim, who is here?
* Zakim sorry, apphillips, I don't know what conference this is; apparently I18N_WG(char_mod)4:30PM has ended
* Zakim sees on irc: apphillips, Zakim, Tex, MJDuerst
* apphillips zakim, this will be i18n
* Zakim ok, apphillips; I see I18N_WSTF()7:00PM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
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* apphillips RRSAgent, set logs world-visible
<RRSAgent> I have made the request, apphillips
* apphillips RRSAgent, where am i?
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<Zakim> I18N_WSTF()7:00PM has now started
<Zakim> +apphillips
* apphillips zakim, agenda + Actions
* Zakim notes agendum 1 added
<Zakim> +[IBM]
* apphillips zakim, agenda + voting on requirements
* Zakim notes agendum 2 added
* apphillips zakim, agenda + WSDL review
* Zakim notes agendum 3 added
<MJDuerst> zakim, call Martin-617
<Zakim> ok, MJDuerst; the call is being made
<Zakim> +Martin
<apphillips> zakim, agenda? 
<Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda:
<Zakim> 1. Actions [from apphillips]
<Zakim> 2. voting on requirements [from apphillips]
<Zakim> 3. WSDL review [from apphillips]
<apphillips> Tex, you dialing in ? 
<apphillips> <apphillips> ACTION: vote early and often on requirements document 
<apphillips> <apphillips> ACTION: review WSDL 2.0 this week  
* apphillips zakim, take up agendum 1
* Zakim thinks agendum 1. "Actions" taken up [from apphillips]
<apphillips> Mary: +1 
<apphillips> AP: +1 
<apphillips> Martin was bad and didn't do his action item 
<Zakim> +Tex_Texin
<MJDuerst> I did part of it, but didn't finish it.
<apphillips> Martin has done some review but not submitted yet. 
* apphillips zakim, next agendum
* Zakim thinks agendum 2. "voting on requirements" taken up [from apphillips]
<MJDuerst> I vote to move the requirements document to a WG Note.
<apphillips> ACTION: Addison to provide changes since last version 
* RRSAgent records action 1
<apphillips> Tex: +1 
<apphillips> Item: document approved 
<MJDuerst> The I18N WG (WS Task Force) herewith approves publication of the requirements document.
<apphillips> ACTION: Martin to advance it. 
* RRSAgent records action 2
* apphillips zakim, take up next agendum
* Zakim thinks agendum 3. "WSDL review" taken up [from apphillips]
<apphillips> (Link: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-ws/2004Nov/0001.html)http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-ws/2004Nov/0001.html 
<apphillips> Document I reviewed is: (Link: http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/WD-wsdl20-20040803/)http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/WD-wsdl20-20040803/ 
<apphillips> discussion of comments 
<apphillips> Item 5 in my comments about <documentation> 
<apphillips> TT: ensure that there is an xml:lang 
<apphillips> what about machine readable? 
<apphillips> 639 code UND 
<apphillips> xml:lang="" 
<apphillips> perhaps it should be a different kind of element? 
<apphillips> The purpose should be for natural language text. Machine readable text should take a lower priority and possibly use a differnt structure. 
<apphillips> also insist on repetition. 
<apphillips> or on subcontainer 
<apphillips> meta-problem: WSDL is doing more than one thing (describing service on multiple levels) 
<apphillips> allow markup inside documentation from other namespaces 
<apphillips> look at same thing in XMLSchema 
<apphillips> #7 should reference IRI or URI spec 
<apphillips> MD: additional comment 
<apphillips> they define their own types 
<MJDuerst> (Link: http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/WD-wsdl20-20040803/#simpletypes)http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/WD-wsdl20-20040803/#simpletypes
<apphillips> (section 2.15) 
<apphillips> ick. They define things like QName and boolean again. 
<apphillips> 2.15.1 is clearly incorrect 
<apphillips> non-characters, etc.etc. 
<apphillips> 2.15.4 explicitly undoes IRI 
<apphillips> ACTION: Addison to send in the current batch, which is not the complete list 
* RRSAgent records action 3
<apphillips> ACTION: others: keep on reviewing 
* RRSAgent records action 4
<apphillips> ACTION: Addison to poll for time change 
* RRSAgent records action 5
<Zakim> -Tex_Texin
<Zakim> -[IBM]
<apphillips> RRSAgent, goodbye 
<RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'goodbye', apphillips.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
<apphillips> RRSAgent, excuse us 
<RRSAgent> I see 5 open action items:
<RRSAgent> ACTION: Addison to provide changes since last version [1]
<RRSAgent>   recorded in (Link: http://www.w3.org/2004/11/05-i18n-irc#T00-13-09)http://www.w3.org/2004/11/05-i18n-irc#T00-13-09
<RRSAgent> ACTION: Martin to advance it. [2]
<RRSAgent>   recorded in (Link: http://www.w3.org/2004/11/05-i18n-irc#T00-15-34)http://www.w3.org/2004/11/05-i18n-irc#T00-15-34
<RRSAgent> ACTION: Addison to send in the current batch, which is not the complete list [3]
<RRSAgent>   recorded in (Link: http://www.w3.org/2004/11/05-i18n-irc#T01-01-45)http://www.w3.org/2004/11/05-i18n-irc#T01-01-45
<RRSAgent> ACTION: others: keep on reviewing [4]
<RRSAgent>   recorded in (Link: http://www.w3.org/2004/11/05-i18n-irc#T01-01-55)http://www.w3.org/2004/11/05-i18n-irc#T01-01-55
<RRSAgent> ACTION: Addison to poll for time change [5]
<RRSAgent>   recorded in (Link: http://www.w3.org/2004/11/05-i18n-irc#T01-03-53)http://www.w3.org/2004/11/05-i18n-irc#T01-03-53
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Session Close (#i18n): Thu Nov 04 17:27:45 2004

Addison P. Phillips
Director, Globalization Architecture
http://www.webMethods.com

Chair, W3C Internationalization (I18N) Working Group
Chair, W3C-I18N-WG, Web Services Task Force
http://www.w3.org/International

Internationalization is an architecture. 
It is not a feature.

Received on Friday, 5 November 2004 01:46:36 UTC