- From: Mike McKenna <mgm@globalisation.org>
- Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 09:15:26 -0800
- To: public-i18n-ws@w3.org
- Message-ID: <3FCF6BAE.2000707@globalisation.org>
A more realistic scenario might be a service that takes as input
Carbon-14 dating information and returns contextualized calendar date
ranges. For example, what if you're working on an archeological dig in
Mongolia and find remains from the Attilla the Hun (or one of his
sons). Whose calendar do you use to report the results? There's the
Gregorian Calendar for current reference, but if you want to map to
historical docuemnts for context, there's the Chinese Imperial calendar,
the Eastern Orthodox Calendar, the Roman Calendar, the Arabic calendar,
and the Budhist calendar (the Huns really got around!)
Cheers,
Mike___
Addison Phillips [wM] wrote:
>65M years ago the day was only 18 hours long and there were over 400 days in the year. The month was also somewhat shorter. Tidal losses. Talk about your leap seconds. Maybe the dinosaurs all got giddy or their tiny little brains were overloaded by the need for calendar reform......
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>Ack. I think the idiocy infecting various lists (not this one) is getting to me. Please write as many different scenarios as you can. We need the material. :-)
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>Addison
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>Addison P. Phillips
>Director, Globalization Architecture
>webMethods | Delivering Global Business Visibility
>http://www.webMethods.com
>Chair, W3C Internationalization (I18N) Working Group
>Chair, W3C-I18N-WG, Web Services Task Force
>http://www.w3.org/International
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>Internationalization is an architecture.
>It is not a feature.
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>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: public-i18n-ws-request@w3.org
>>[mailto:public-i18n-ws-request@w3.org]On Behalf Of Tex Texin
>>Sent: 2003年12月3日 22:57
>>To: andrea.vine@Sun.COM
>>Cc: public-i18n-ws@w3.org
>>Subject: Re: calendar dependent events scenarii - now with less fat!
>>
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>>This made me think of an interesting application. Astronomers and
>>Geologists, etc. might have reason to believe some event has occurred
>>historically and would like to confirm it thru historical reports. They
>>would need dates in the local calendar of the time.
>>
>>For example, predicting a comet appeared n years ago, (or some seismic
>>or other event, for example a flood) scientists might want to check for
>>reports of a bright star etc. and need the dates as used at the time in
>>countries around the world....
>>
>>What was the calendar used in gonawandaland (or pangea) 65M years ago
>>when dinosaurs were wiped out by the asteroid hit? ;-)
>>
>>I can write up the age one, if people want.
>>
>>I think it might be good to have something that is not just date
>>conversions (although under the covers age also is calendar conversion
>>too.)
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>>let me know.
>>tex
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>>"A. Vine" wrote:
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>>>All,
>>>Here is the updated updated calendar dependent events scenarii,
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>>incorporating
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>>>Addison's and Martin's comments.
>>>Andrea
>>>
>>>Scenario I-0?? Calendar-dependent events
>>>
>>>A Web service is set up to calculate a calendar date and send it back to
>>>the requester. The value returned represents a specific date
>>>
>>>
>>on the calendar,
>>
>>
>>>not a timestamp value as might be associated with a particular locale or
>>>timezone. The service may need to take in information such as
>>>
>>>
>>the calendar
>>
>>
>>>type, year, and related descriptive information.
>>>
>>>Scenario A: A service calculates the date for Easter,
>>>
>>>
>>Passover, or Ramadan for
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>>>any given year, returning a date value in {fill in the format,
>>>
>>>
>>I don't know the
>>
>>
>>>right wording here}. These religious holidays are partly based
>>>on astronomical events, such as lunar phases, as well as
>>>
>>>
>>historical tables.
>>
>>
>>>They are not strictly calendar dependent in the way that many
>>>
>>>
>>secular holidays,
>>
>>
>>>such as various national independence days or leader's
>>>
>>>
>>birthdays are, nor are
>>
>>
>>>they predictable, for example, the fourth Thursday in November.
>>>
>>>
>>Thus the need
>>
>>
>>>for a service to calculate the date might be necessary. The
>>>SOAP request would contain a holiday and a year in ISO 8601 format. In
>>>addition, some other data may be required, such as for Easter
>>>
>>>
>>there may be a
>>
>>
>>>parameter specifying "Orthodox" or "Western". The Web service
>>>
>>>
>>would in turn
>>
>>
>>>calculate the appropriate date and send a message back to the
>>>
>>>
>>requester with the
>>
>>
>>>calculated date. Some other service may be used to convert the
>>>
>>>
>>returned date
>>
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>>>value into a specified calendar type, such as the Japanese calendar.
>>>
>>>Scenario B: A service calculates historical dates in different parts of
>>>the world and returns an equivalent ISO 8601 date to the
>>>requester. The SOAP request would contain a date and its country of
>>>origin. For example, a request might have the date 1812/08/26 and the
>>>origin "Russia". Russia was using a different calendar from
>>>
>>>
>>places such as
>>
>>
>>>Italy or France at that time; what would appear as the same
>>>
>>>
>>date was actually
>>
>>
>>>several days off. While this may look like it is part of the
>>>
>>>
>>locale due to
>>
>>
>>>the country of origin, it should not be treated as such. Locales are
>>>typically associated with the end user, not with a piece of data, and a
>>>locale does not contain information on historical times.
>>>
>>>Scenario C: A service calculates Chinese New Year for any non-Chinese
>>>calendar type. The SOAP request would include a parameter with the
>>>calendar type, such as "Gregorian", "Hebrew", or "Japanese Imperial".
>>>The calendar type is again irrelevant to the locale, since the
>>>requester may be looking for information unrelated to user preferences
>>>or system settings. {in light of all the comments, I have no
>>>
>>>
>>idea what to do
>>
>>
>>>with this scenario. maybe we should replace it with Tex's scenario.}
>>>
>>>
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>>Tex Texin cell: +1 781 789 1898 mailto:Tex@XenCraft.com
>>Xen Master http://www.i18nGuy.com
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>>XenCraft http://www.XenCraft.com
>>Making e-Business Work Around the World
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Michael McKenna
Globalisation Architect
mgm@globalisation.org
California Digital LIbrary
University of California Office of the President
michael.mckenna@ucop.edu
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