- From: Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org>
- Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 23:58:56 +0900 (JST)
- To: public-i18n-its@w3.org
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Felix
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
i18n ITS WG
5 Dec 2007
[2]Agenda
[2]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2007OctDec/0027.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2007/12/05-i18nits-irc
Attendees
Present
Richard, Christian, Yves, Jirka, Bartosz, Felix
Regrets
Chair
Yves
Scribe
Felix
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]action items
2. [6]reviews
3. [7]Best Practices Working Draft
4. [8]editorship for BP document
5. [9]AOB
6. [10]ITS2Y
* [11]Summary of Action Items
_________________________________________________________
action items
<YvesS> [12]http://www.w3.org/International/its/track/actions/open
[12] http://www.w3.org/International/its/track/actions/open
ACTION-2 XHTML issues
Yves: need to decide whether to keep or remove the section
ACTION-3 skipped for now
ACTION-11 ITS and XForms
ACTION-24 ITS and XProc
Jirka: XProc new WD available
... there is an attribute with translatable content in the WD
... it is better than previous WD, but not completely resolved
Yves: how to follow-up?
Felix: propose that Jirka sends a mail to the XProc people with his
concerns, keeping us in CC
Jirka: OK, keep the AI open, I'll send a mail
ACTION-31
Yves: everything resolved here, AI can be closed
Close ACTION-31
<trackbot-ng> ACTION-31 Provide correction for examples 39 and 40
closed
ACTION-33
<scribe> pending
ACTION-45 , done offline, but not closed yet
ACTION-44 ongoing
reviews
<YvesS> [13]http://www.w3.org/TR/#last-call
[13] http://www.w3.org/TR/#last-call
nothing new
Best Practices Working Draft
Yves: thanks to Richard a lot for editing, saw nothing except BP 24
... how about others?
Richard: So I can accept also change to subtitles and blue
background text?
Felix: also with the changes and moving forward
Yves: now BP 24
... sometimes we have XML files which contain XML source of some
other files
Felix: our examples in the XMLSPEC source are also XML data which is
not part of the XMLSPEC vocabulary
Yves: problem is for what is inside elements, mostly HTML data
... content is not authoring content, but just storage as XML
Richard: you said "we can't add markup since it is storage". Were do
you want to add markup?
Yves: I don't want to add markup, just process the "stored as data"
XML
... e.g. if we have XHTML data , the text should be XHTML markup
Richard: so how about our XHTML output of the BP document?
<YvesS>
[14]http://www.w3.org/International/its/techniques/its-techniques.ht
ml#AuthMarkupAsText
[14]
http://www.w3.org/International/its/techniques/its-techniques.html#AuthMarkupAsText
Yves: that is an output format, but in most cases we look into
temporary stortage formats
Richard: were do we have such scenarios: translation tools?
Yves: yes, and spell checking, QA etc.
... all kinds of localization related processing
... often there is no way around this, but in some places it helps
to use namespaces
Richard: if we need to translate into Arabic and need to put e.g. a
span element
... if you would have CDATA, you would put in the tags in escaped
forms
Yves: problem is not adding markup to target output
... problem is processing
... you don't distinguish element from the text
Richard: is it localization properties?
Yves: no, all kinds of processing
Felix: like writing a translateRule element, that would not match
for escaped elements
... e.g. a code element
Richard: you would need to put the code element into a namespace
anyway?
Felix: yes, but not escaping them via
... e.g. <myns:code> ...
Christian: what is escaping here?
Richard: changing markup into content
Yves: big problem is putting XML into XML. The "hosted" XML is text,
not XML anymore
... that is the problem
... there is no real solution, except flaging the content like
JavaScript
... by saying "this is not plain text, but 'escaped' HTML"
Richard: we have to find an example that makes that clear
Yves: I can try to make an explanation
Richard: you said it is the use, that makes this clearer
<scribe> ACTION: Yves to make an explanation of the BP 24 issue
[recorded in
[15]http://www.w3.org/2007/12/05-i18nits-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-46 - Make an explanation of the BP 24
issue [on Yves Savourel - due 2007-12-12].
Yves: how about other sections?
Richard: still working on some
Yves: we got feedback from Bartosz, are you happy with my replies
and changes?
<scribe> ACTION: Felix to look into having numbers for BPs in the
table of contents, Richard to see if he has some code for that
[recorded in
[16]http://www.w3.org/2007/12/05-i18nits-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-47 - Look into having numbers for BPs
in the table of contents, Richard to see if he has some code for
that [on Felix Sasaki - due 2007-12-12].
<YvesS>
[17]http://www.w3.org/International/its/techniques/its-techniques.ht
ml#xmlspec
[17]
http://www.w3.org/International/its/techniques/its-techniques.html#xmlspec
Felix: we need to update the XMLSPEC section to use the official
XMLSPEC dtd (not the modified XMLSPEC i18n DTD)
... and we need to mention that we will update the XMLSPEC i18n DTD
accordingly
<scribe> ACTION: Felix to update XMLSPEC dtd [recorded in
[18]http://www.w3.org/2007/12/05-i18nits-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-48 - Update XMLSPEC dtd [on Felix
Sasaki - due 2007-12-12].
Yves: we will need to go through sec. 4 later
Richard: will not go through this section in detail
editorship for BP document
everybody agrees that Richard should be co-editor of BP document!
AOB
Yves: next meeting would be 9 a.m. in Central Europe time, fine with
everybody?
no disagreement
<scribe> ACTION: Felix to change teleconf reservation [recorded in
[19]http://www.w3.org/2007/12/05-i18nits-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-49 - Change teleconf reservation [on
Felix Sasaki - due 2007-12-12].
ITS2Y
Christian and Felix were and will follow up
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Felix to change teleconf reservation [recorded in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2007/12/05-i18nits-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: Felix to look into having numbers for BPs in the table
of contents, Richard to see if he has some code for that [recorded
in [21]http://www.w3.org/2007/12/05-i18nits-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: Felix to update XMLSPEC dtd [recorded in
[22]http://www.w3.org/2007/12/05-i18nits-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: Yves to make an explanation of the BP 24 issue
[recorded in
[23]http://www.w3.org/2007/12/05-i18nits-minutes.html#action01]
[End of minutes]
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