[I18N ITS] Teleconference Minutes 2007-01-24

... are at http://www.w3.org/2007/01/24-i18nits-minutes.html and below
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Felix


   [1]W3C

      [1] http://www.w3.org/

                              i18n ITS WG

24 Jan 2007

   [2]Agenda

      [2]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0049.html

   See also: [3]IRC log

      [3] http://www.w3.org/2007/01/24-i18nits-irc

Attendees

   Present
          Andrzej, Christian, Felix, Sebastian, Yves

   Regrets

   Chair
          Yves

   Scribe
          Felix

Contents

     * [4]Topics
         1. [5]action items
         2. [6]NVDL and ITS
         3. [7]open issues of the tagset draft
         4. [8]time schedule
         5. [9]directionality
     * [10]Summary of Action Items
     _________________________________________________________

action items

   <scribe> ACTION: Editors to remove the <ns> feature from the ITS
   draft. (PENDING) [recorded in
   [11]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/24-i18nits-minutes.html#action01]

   <scribe> ACTION: Felix to post a proposal for both attribute
   notations on the span element. (PENDING) [recorded in
   [12]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/24-i18nits-minutes.html#action02]

   <scribe> ACTION: Editors to implement the the change in the
   specification regarding precedence order wording. (ONGOING)
   [recorded in
   [13]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/24-i18nits-minutes.html#action03]

   <YvesS>
   [14]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0
   013.html

     [14]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0013.html

   Felix: I'm worried about the precedence

   Yves: we probably can't solve it, like the XInclude case

   Felix: so people have to communicate how to decide the precedence

   <scribe> ACTION: Yves to make sure we have a section in the BP
   document for precedence of tool specific linking [recorded in
   [15]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/24-i18nits-minutes.html#action04]

   <scribe> ACTION: Felix to see if the comparison tool can be smarter
   about namespace comparison (same ns but different prefix should be
   OK). (DONE) [recorded in
   [16]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/24-i18nits-minutes.html#action05]

   <scribe> ACTION: Yves to list the result issues to see how we can
   address them. (DONE) [recorded in
   [17]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/24-i18nits-minutes.html#action06]

   Yves: we started on going through that, will continue

   [18]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0
   050.html

     [18]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0050.html

   Yves: we all made many fixes
   ... I have to fix locNoteRefPointer attribute. Sebastian is test 1,
   I'm test 2, Felix is test 3.
   ... for translatability, we match for everything

   <scribe> ACTION: Editors to go to the draft and check that there are
   no "CSS style elements" or the like. (PENDING) [recorded in
   [19]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/24-i18nits-minutes.html#action07]

   <scribe> ACTION: Yves to re-ask Andrzej about inheritence and
   overriding for example (DONE) [recorded in
   [20]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/24-i18nits-minutes.html#action08]

   Andrzej: there was one bug in our implementation, we are fixing that

NVDL and ITS

   Sebastian: NVDL would be an illustration of how to validate things
   ... Felix asked how to expand it to XSD

   Yves: proposal is to add a section on validation of ITS with NVDL.
   Currently there is a subsection with Schematron.

   (see the discussion at
   [21]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0
   030.html)

     [21]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0030.html)

   Christian: not sure if we should do s.t. to the spec now, concerned
   about time

   Yves: if Jirka writes the section, it would not be much work for the
   editors

   Christian: what is the relevance of NVDL?

   Sebastian: part of an ISO proposal for schema validation

   Felix: SVG tiny 1.2 uses NVDL as well

   Christian: If Jirka supplies the first draft, we should go for it

   Felix: NVDL is interesting new technology, but we should not spend
   much time on it, since it is not a core interest for
   internationalization / localization

   NVDL is part of [22]http://www.dsdl.org/

     [22] http://www.dsdl.org/

   RESOLUTION: WG agrees with a section on NVDL if Jirka provides the
   main input. We will discuss later if an how it can be integrated in
   the document

open issues of the tagset draft

   <YvesS>
   [23]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?query_format=specific&
   order=relevance+desc&bug_status=__open__&product=ITS

     [23]
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?query_format=specific&order=relevance+desc&bug_status=__open__&product=ITS

   Yves: nothing new, just need to close them after implementation in
   the spec

time schedule

   <YvesS> [24]http://www.w3.org/International/its/tests/

     [24] http://www.w3.org/International/its/tests/

   Felix: we would need to be finished with implementations and spec
   editing until 27 February to be able to be a REC in 27 March

   Sebastian: we still need to create ruby files

   Felix: working on that

   <scribe> ACTION: Felix to provide ruby tests and their
   implementation [recorded in
   [25]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/24-i18nits-minutes.html#action09]

   Sebastian: we are relying on hand-crafted examples
   ... would be nice if we would get input from Jirka

   <scribe> ACTION: Jirka to look at the test suite and see if the
   tests make sense [recorded in
   [26]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/24-i18nits-minutes.html#action10]

   Sebastian: what else has to be done to be able to leave CR?

   Felix: we need to write a section on XHTML modularization, I can do
   that

   <scribe> ACTION: Felix to start a section on XHTML modularization
   for the XML i18n BP document [recorded in
   [27]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/24-i18nits-minutes.html#action11]

   Felix: has everybody time in the next for weeks?

   <YvesS>
   [28]http://www.w3.org/International/its/tests/inputdata/Dir1.xml

     [28] http://www.w3.org/International/its/tests/inputdata/Dir1.xml

   Sebastian: will be away at the end of this month for 3 days, except
   that I'm available

directionality

   Sebastian: what is the inheritance for directionality?

   Yves: child elements and attributes

   Sebastian: Dir1.xml is strange because xml:lang has a directionality

Summary of Action Items

   [NEW] ACTION: Felix to provide ruby tests and their implementation
   [recorded in
   [29]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/24-i18nits-minutes.html#action09]
   [NEW] ACTION: Felix to start a section on XHTML modularization for
   the XML i18n BP document [recorded in
   [30]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/24-i18nits-minutes.html#action11]
   [NEW] ACTION: Jirka to look at the test suite and see if the tests
   make sense [recorded in
   [31]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/24-i18nits-minutes.html#action10]
   [NEW] ACTION: Yves to make sure we have a section in the BP document
   for precedence of tool specific linking [recorded in
   [32]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/24-i18nits-minutes.html#action04]

   [PENDING] ACTION: Editors to go to the draft and check that there
   are no "CSS style elements" or the like. [recorded in
   [33]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/24-i18nits-minutes.html#action07]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Editors to implement the the change in the
   specification regarding precedence order wording. [recorded in
   [34]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/24-i18nits-minutes.html#action03]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Editors to remove the <ns> feature from the ITS
   draft. [recorded in
   [35]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/24-i18nits-minutes.html#action01]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Felix to post a proposal for both attribute
   notations on the span element. [recorded in
   [36]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/24-i18nits-minutes.html#action02]

   [DONE] ACTION: Felix to see if the comparison tool can be smarter
   about namespace comparison (same ns but different prefix should be
   OK). [recorded in
   [37]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/24-i18nits-minutes.html#action05]
   [DONE] ACTION: Yves to list the result issues to see how we can
   address them. [recorded in
   [38]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/24-i18nits-minutes.html#action06]
   [DONE] ACTION: Yves to re-ask Andrzej about inheritence and
   overriding for example [recorded in
   [39]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/24-i18nits-minutes.html#action08]

   [End of minutes]
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