- From: Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 00:00:41 +0900
- To: public-i18n-its@w3.org
... are at http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-i18nits-minutes.html and below
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Felix
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
i18n ITS WG
25 Apr 2007
[2]Agenda
[2]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2007AprJun/0016.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-i18nits-irc
Attendees
Present
Yves, Felix, Jirka, Christian
Regrets
Sebastian
Chair
Yves
Scribe
Felix
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]action items
2. [6]ITS Recommendation
3. [7]ITS in atom
4. [8]Reviewing W3C Work for ITS
5. [9]Best Practices Working Draft
6. [10]Face-to-face meeting at SAP Paris
7. [11]AOB
* [12]Summary of Action Items
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action items
<scribe> ACTION: Felix to prepare the BP WD for publication (DONE)
[recorded in
[13]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action01]
Felix: document will be published on Friday
<Jirka> ok
<scribe> ACTION: Christian to try to look at EMMA (DONE) [recorded
in [14]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action02]
<YvesS>
[15]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007AprJun/0
007.html
[15]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007AprJun/0007.html
Yves: Felix and me looked at the mail, I made a note about one
example
Christian: your note was right, I'll change the example
Felix: example how to send a a comment:
to: public-some-wg , cc: public-i18n-its , public-i18n-core
Felix: i18n core would be in the loop, and it is our comment
Christian: I'll send the comment
<scribe> ACTION: Christian to send comment on EMMA [recorded in
[16]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action03]
Felix: i18n core tracks comments like this:
[17]http://www.w3.org/International/reviews/
... for a single review a separate HTML page like
[18]http://www.w3.org/International/reviews/0704-xforms11/
... it is some effort, but I wanted to bring the proposal to you
[17] http://www.w3.org/International/reviews/
[18] http://www.w3.org/International/reviews/0704-xforms11/
Yves: seems to be a lot of effort
... we could have a simplified web page which lists the specs we
commented on and point to the initial mails
... the other way would be that the person who sends the comment to
keep track of it
... having a simplified page would be the best solution
Felix: agree
Christian: maintaining the overview page would not be too much
effort
... more worried about the individual review
Yves: I start a summary page of comments
<scribe> ACTION: Yves to start a summary page for comments we made
on other drafts [recorded in
[19]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action04]
<scribe> ACTION: Felix to follow up with issue found in the Rec
document about "lro" vs "rlo" (DONE) [recorded in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action05]
[21]http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/its-errata.html
[21] http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/its-errata.html
Felix: I updated the errata page with the error
... we can publish the updated REC later after we have more errors
<scribe> ACTION: Yves to do add rule for xml:lang='zxx' and
translate in DITA integration (POSTPONED) [recorded in
[22]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action06]
ITS Recommendation
Felix: got some feedback from Japanese members that ITS should get
more outreach, e.g. having it as an ISO standard, which makes it
easier to appraoch governmental institutions
Yves: in localization industry, ISO is not so important. Tool
vendors are more important
... it is a big effort to go to ISO , maybe national standards would
be easier, but maybe it is the same effort
Jirka: I'm in ISO WG for markup languages
... it is possible to have existing specs in s.t. which is called
fast track process
... it means that existing specs from e.g. OASIS or W3C become ISO
standards
... problem is maintainance. Must be clear who maintains: ISO or
original submitter
... in some countries having ISO stamps makes them more attractive
for governmental organizations
Yves: very helpful. Maybe we can add an item to the agenda of the
f2f to discuss that
Jirka: I can send pointers about the fast track process
<scribe> ACTION: Jirka to send pointers about ISO fast track process
[recorded in
[23]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action07]
Christian: I also think we should try to relate ITS to upcoming
technologies like W3C specs
... and we should try to relate ITS to producers of multilingual
content
... however, we also need to see tool support for ITS
<Jirka> Jirka doesn't think that it makes sense to have one standard
released by two standard bodies, it makes further maintenance harder
<Jirka> Jirka thinks that tool vendors are more important then ISO
stamp
<Jirka> Jirka thinks that we definitively push ITS in the new HTML
WG, but this WG solves different problems at this time
Both Yves and Christian are talking to various tool vendors / tool
creators about ITS adoption already
Jirka: I'm preparing a vote for office open XML XML format. I can
integrate into the vote that ITS should be integrated into the
format
everybody likes the idea a lot
Yves: we will discuss outreach also at the f2f
<YvesS>
[24]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2007AprJun/0
013.html
[24]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2007AprJun/0013.html
ITS in atom
yves: we have not followed up on this topic
[25]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-international/2007AprJun
/0017.html
[25]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-international/2007AprJun/0017.html
Felix summarizes the mail
[26]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2007AprJun/0
013.html and
[27]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-international/2007AprJun
/0017.html
[26]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2007AprJun/0013.html
[27]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-international/2007AprJun/0017.html
Yves: do you know about Atom? Is ITS useful?
Felix: not sure
Yves: I'll follow up on the bidi attribute and also ITS in general
<scribe> ACTION: Yves to look on Atom and the bidi attribute and
possibly ITS in general [recorded in
[28]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action08]
Reviewing W3C Work for ITS
Christian: looked at SPARQL
... found similar issues as i18n core WG
... the variable binding result format
[29]http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-sparql-XMLres/ might use ITS
[29] http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-sparql-XMLres/
Felix: not sure if it needs a review, maybe it is auto generated and
needs no localization
Christian: should we take more time to look into this and see also
the outcome of the Atom review?
Yves: sure
Felix: does SPARQL need ITS?
Christian: don't think so
<scribe> ACTION: everybody to look at SPARQL and the SPARQL result
format for potential ITS review [recorded in
[30]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action09]
Yves: no new drafts
Christian: what about non-ITS specs?
... like TMX?
Yves: we should gather the comments and send them out officially
<scribe> ACTION: Yves to look into TMX for ITS related comments
[recorded in
[31]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action10]
Yves: don't think there is s.t. in SRX
Christian: relationship between segmentation rules and our "Within
Text" rules?
Yves: theoretically yes, practically not. SRX deals only with regex
in text. ITS "Within Text" deals with element structure
... you can implement both without knowing each other
... "Within Text" has to do with s.t. which is sent to a tool. After
that , another tool might use that information to do text
segmentation
Christian: SRX is a standard for segmentation rules, so isn't it
related to "Within Text"?
Yves: it is related, but at different stages of the process
Christian: we could make a joint comment to make the relationship to
ITS clear
Yves: good point
Felix: we could make such relations also clear in the BP document
Yves: other formats: XLIFF: has no directionality aspect in it
Christian: yes.
<scribe> ACTION: Everybody to look into XLIFF 1.2, TMX 2. and SRX 2
[recorded in
[32]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action11]
<scribe> ACTION: Yves to add non-w3c specs to the comment overview
page [recorded in
[33]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action12]
Best Practices Working Draft
Yves: made no change, waited for publication
... at the next call or f2f, mabye we could try some online editing
... I have web ex and could set up a meeting
(some concerns about OS useability, for people who don't have
windows)
Face-to-face meeting at SAP Paris
Yves: as a reminder
... one more topic: outreach discussion
AOB
Yves: will not be at next call, Felix will chair
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Christian to send comment on EMMA [recorded in
[34]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: everybody to look at SPARQL and the SPARQL result
format for potential ITS review [recorded in
[35]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action09]
[NEW] ACTION: Everybody to look into XLIFF 1.2, TMX 2. and SRX 2
[recorded in
[36]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action11]
[NEW] ACTION: Jirka to send pointers about ISO fast track process
[recorded in
[37]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action07]
[NEW] ACTION: Yves to add non-w3c specs to the comment overview page
[recorded in
[38]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action12]
[NEW] ACTION: Yves to look into TMX for ITS related comments
[recorded in
[39]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action10]
[NEW] ACTION: Yves to look on Atom and the bidi attribute and
possibly ITS in general [recorded in
[40]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action08]
[NEW] ACTION: Yves to start a summary page for comments we made on
other drafts [recorded in
[41]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action04]
[POSTPONED] ACTION: Yves to do add rule for xml:lang='zxx' and
translate in DITA integration [recorded in
[42]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action06]
[DONE] ACTION: Christian to try to look at EMMA [recorded in
[43]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action02]
[DONE] ACTION: Felix to follow up with issue found in the Rec
document about "lro" vs "rlo" [recorded in
[44]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action05]
[DONE] ACTION: Felix to prepare the BP WD for publication [recorded
in [45]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action01]
[End of minutes]
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