- From: Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 00:13:58 +0900
- To: public-i18n-its@w3.org
... are at http://www.w3.org/2006/10/25-i18nits-minutes.html and below
as text.
- Felix
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
I18N ITS Working Group
25 Oct 2006
[2]Agenda
[2]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0023.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2006/10/25-i18nits-irc
Attendees
Present
Christian, Felix, Yves
Regrets
Andrzej, Richard, Sebastian
Chair
YvesS
Scribe
Felix
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]action items
2. [6]Transition Request to CR made
3. [7]test suite
4. [8]during November
5. [9]back to
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006Oct
Dec/0024.html
6. [10]other business
7. [11]next meeting - time zone change
* [12]Summary of Action Items
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action items
<scribe> ACTION: All to try to compile a list of work item for the
new charter (DROPPED) [recorded in
[13]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action01]
Yves: Felix discussed this with Philippe and Richard
... the idea now is to extend the charter for a year
... is it already decided?
Felix: not decided, but very likely
... we would continue the current work items
... and start no new ones
Christian: fine with me as well
<scribe> ACTION: Christian to come up with paragraph and answer to
Felix w/r desciption of the compatibility test format (DONE)
[recorded in
[14]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action02]
Christian: is this still relevant? Could we still modify the
implementation report
<YvesS> Proposal from Christian: [[During the CR phase, the WG will
conduct further tests for ITS Markup Declarations
<YvesS> and ITS Processing Expectations. With regard to the latter,
the WG will compare the results]]
Yves: I pasted above Christians proposal in IRC
<YvesS> (given in the format mentioned above) of the implementations
of Conformance Type 2.
current text is at
[15]http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/ImpReport.html
[15] http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/ImpReport.html
<chriLi> I just sent the alternative text to the public list
discussion on the text proposal above / at
[16]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0
024.html
[16]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0024.html
will be continued later (see below)
<scribe> ACTION: Yves to setup teleconf with Tony (DONE) [recorded
in [17]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action03]
Yves: XLIFF people understood that we can't do much work before we
get to CR
... we may get some implementation from them, I don't know how long
it will take
... at this point it does not need to be listed as an implementation
... XLIFF people also produce guidelines saying how formats should
be translated into XLIFF
... they are thinking of using ITS in these guidelines
... using ITS inside XLIFF was discussed as well
... there is nothing that prevents us doing that today
Felix: should we produce for the BP document a section "ITS +
XLIFF"?
Yves: yes, good point.
Yves: they will mention all activities on their next call and f2f
<clieske> keep in mind that we have two types of relationship
between ITS and XLIFF
<clieske> relationship 1: ITS as bridgehead for producing XLIFF
<clieske> relationship 2: ITS within (or as a rules file) for XLIFF
Felix: should W3C / me do s.t. about this topic?
Yves: Christian and Andrzej are both in the XLIFF TC, that should be
enough
Transition Request to CR made
[18]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0
022.html
[18]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0022.html
Felix: mail from Richard "Typo in 6.2.2"
... I will fix it
Yves: we got private feedback from Jirka
... should we change that now?
<clieske> Aside on relationship ITS/XLIFF: I am the XLIFF TC liason
person to the W3C
Felix: not good to change s.t. now, since we sent the CR mail
(except typos). We will change that later
... schematron is also informative, no need to implement Jirkas
comments now
Yves: on CR preparation: I hope we don't have to get back to WD
... I don't think our changes produce a need to go back
... I am also worried about participation
Felix: is no problem for now, I think, but we need to make
participation criteria more clear after the charter extension
test suite
Felix test suite implementation during CR, and editing
Felix: I will edit until the end of this week, after that , somebody
else needs to edit, otherwise the document will not be changed until
December
Yves: on the test suite
... some questions, see my mail at
[19]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0
022.html
[19]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0022.html
<YvesS>
[20]http://www.w3.org/International/its/tests/expected/EX-locNote-el
ement-1-result.xml
[20]
http://www.w3.org/International/its/tests/expected/EX-locNote-element-1-result.xml
Yves: what information would be need in the output?
... for example, the implementation might make no difference whether
localization information is produced via a reference or an attribute
with the text
Felix: my proposal:
<output its:locNoteRef="someReference"/>
<output its:locNote="Some loc note"/>
Yves: how does this work with "pointer" attributes?
... from a "real world" application , you don't want to know the
pointer attribute
... I would not be able to produce the pointer information in my
output
Felix: good point, we might drop the pointer information
during November
Yves: I will be away. You should built the test suite and do
implementation work
... we need to go through feedback we get, like the one from Jirka,
and fix things in the spec
... and we need to do the markup implementation
Felix: I can do the markup implementation
... should we have regular calls?
Christian: yes, but I have to miss two of them
Felix: let's have a regular call, we might use it mainly for
implementation discussion
back to
[21]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0024
.html
[21]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0024.html
Yves: Felix said that the statement "the WG will conduct further
tests for ITS Markup Declarations" does not refer to parts of the
test suite
... so we should not mention ITS Markup Declarations in this section
<YvesS>
[22]http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/ImpReport.html
[22] http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/ImpReport.html
Christian: fine with taking "ITS Markup Declarations" out of my
proposal
Felix: fine by me, I will make that change after Monday (the CR
call)
<scribe> ACTION: Felix to adopt
[23]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0
024.html with todays discussion after the CR call [recorded in
[24]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action04]
[23]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0024.html
other business
some outreach material at
[25]http://www.w3.org/QA/2006/10/how_i_explained_its_to_my_chil.html
[25] http://www.w3.org/QA/2006/10/how_i_explained_its_to_my_chil.html
Christian: I created "how to explain ITS to my boss"
... if you have other material, please tell me if you have other
stuff
... will be useful for the tekom
next meeting - time zone change
Yves: don't forget
Summary of Action Items
[DROPPED] ACTION: All to try to compile a list of work item for the
new charter [recorded in
[26]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Felix to adopt
[27]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0
024.html with todays discussion after the CR call [recorded in
[28]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action04]
[27]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0024.html
[DONE] ACTION: Christian to come up with paragraph and answer to
Felix w/r desciption of the compatibility test format [recorded in
[29]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action02]
[DONE] ACTION: Yves to setup teleconf with Tony [recorded in
[30]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action03]
[End of minutes]
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