[I18N ITS] Teleconference Minutes 2006-10-25

... are at http://www.w3.org/2006/10/25-i18nits-minutes.html and below
as text.

- Felix

   [1]W3C

      [1] http://www.w3.org/

                        I18N ITS Working Group

25 Oct 2006

   [2]Agenda

      [2]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0023.html

   See also: [3]IRC log

      [3] http://www.w3.org/2006/10/25-i18nits-irc

Attendees

   Present
          Christian, Felix, Yves

   Regrets
          Andrzej, Richard, Sebastian

   Chair
          YvesS

   Scribe
          Felix

Contents

     * [4]Topics
         1. [5]action items
         2. [6]Transition Request to CR made
         3. [7]test suite
         4. [8]during November
         5. [9]back to
            http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006Oct
            Dec/0024.html
         6. [10]other business
         7. [11]next meeting - time zone change
     * [12]Summary of Action Items
     _________________________________________________________

action items

   <scribe> ACTION: All to try to compile a list of work item for the
   new charter (DROPPED) [recorded in
   [13]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action01]

   Yves: Felix discussed this with Philippe and Richard
   ... the idea now is to extend the charter for a year
   ... is it already decided?

   Felix: not decided, but very likely
   ... we would continue the current work items
   ... and start no new ones

   Christian: fine with me as well

   <scribe> ACTION: Christian to come up with paragraph and answer to
   Felix w/r desciption of the compatibility test format (DONE)
   [recorded in
   [14]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action02]

   Christian: is this still relevant? Could we still modify the
   implementation report

   <YvesS> Proposal from Christian: [[During the CR phase, the WG will
   conduct further tests for ITS Markup Declarations

   <YvesS> and ITS Processing Expectations. With regard to the latter,
   the WG will compare the results]]

   Yves: I pasted above Christians proposal in IRC

   <YvesS> (given in the format mentioned above) of the implementations
   of Conformance Type 2.

   current text is at
   [15]http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/ImpReport.html

     [15] http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/ImpReport.html

   <chriLi> I just sent the alternative text to the public list

   discussion on the text proposal above / at
   [16]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0
   024.html

     [16]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0024.html

   will be continued later (see below)

   <scribe> ACTION: Yves to setup teleconf with Tony (DONE) [recorded
   in [17]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action03]

   Yves: XLIFF people understood that we can't do much work before we
   get to CR
   ... we may get some implementation from them, I don't know how long
   it will take
   ... at this point it does not need to be listed as an implementation
   ... XLIFF people also produce guidelines saying how formats should
   be translated into XLIFF
   ... they are thinking of using ITS in these guidelines
   ... using ITS inside XLIFF was discussed as well
   ... there is nothing that prevents us doing that today

   Felix: should we produce for the BP document a section "ITS +
   XLIFF"?

   Yves: yes, good point.

   Yves: they will mention all activities on their next call and f2f

   <clieske> keep in mind that we have two types of relationship
   between ITS and XLIFF

   <clieske> relationship 1: ITS as bridgehead for producing XLIFF

   <clieske> relationship 2: ITS within (or as a rules file) for XLIFF

   Felix: should W3C / me do s.t. about this topic?

   Yves: Christian and Andrzej are both in the XLIFF TC, that should be
   enough

Transition Request to CR made

   [18]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0
   022.html

     [18]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0022.html

   Felix: mail from Richard "Typo in 6.2.2"
   ... I will fix it

   Yves: we got private feedback from Jirka
   ... should we change that now?

   <clieske> Aside on relationship ITS/XLIFF: I am the XLIFF TC liason
   person to the W3C

   Felix: not good to change s.t. now, since we sent the CR mail
   (except typos). We will change that later
   ... schematron is also informative, no need to implement Jirkas
   comments now

   Yves: on CR preparation: I hope we don't have to get back to WD
   ... I don't think our changes produce a need to go back
   ... I am also worried about participation

   Felix: is no problem for now, I think, but we need to make
   participation criteria more clear after the charter extension

test suite

   Felix test suite implementation during CR, and editing

   Felix: I will edit until the end of this week, after that , somebody
   else needs to edit, otherwise the document will not be changed until
   December

   Yves: on the test suite
   ... some questions, see my mail at
   [19]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0
   022.html

     [19]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0022.html

   <YvesS>
   [20]http://www.w3.org/International/its/tests/expected/EX-locNote-el
   ement-1-result.xml

     [20]
http://www.w3.org/International/its/tests/expected/EX-locNote-element-1-result.xml

   Yves: what information would be need in the output?
   ... for example, the implementation might make no difference whether
   localization information is produced via a reference or an attribute
   with the text

   Felix: my proposal:

   <output its:locNoteRef="someReference"/>

   <output its:locNote="Some loc note"/>

   Yves: how does this work with "pointer" attributes?
   ... from a "real world" application , you don't want to know the
   pointer attribute
   ... I would not be able to produce the pointer information in my
   output

   Felix: good point, we might drop the pointer information

during November

   Yves: I will be away. You should built the test suite and do
   implementation work
   ... we need to go through feedback we get, like the one from Jirka,
   and fix things in the spec
   ... and we need to do the markup implementation

   Felix: I can do the markup implementation
   ... should we have regular calls?

   Christian: yes, but I have to miss two of them

   Felix: let's have a regular call, we might use it mainly for
   implementation discussion

back to
[21]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0024
.html

     [21]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0024.html

   Yves: Felix said that the statement "the WG will conduct further
   tests for ITS Markup Declarations" does not refer to parts of the
   test suite
   ... so we should not mention ITS Markup Declarations in this section

   <YvesS>
   [22]http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/ImpReport.html

     [22] http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/ImpReport.html

   Christian: fine with taking "ITS Markup Declarations" out of my
   proposal

   Felix: fine by me, I will make that change after Monday (the CR
   call)

   <scribe> ACTION: Felix to adopt
   [23]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0
   024.html with todays discussion after the CR call [recorded in
   [24]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action04]

     [23]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0024.html

other business

   some outreach material at
   [25]http://www.w3.org/QA/2006/10/how_i_explained_its_to_my_chil.html

     [25] http://www.w3.org/QA/2006/10/how_i_explained_its_to_my_chil.html

   Christian: I created "how to explain ITS to my boss"
   ... if you have other material, please tell me if you have other
   stuff
   ... will be useful for the tekom

next meeting - time zone change

   Yves: don't forget

Summary of Action Items

   [DROPPED] ACTION: All to try to compile a list of work item for the
   new charter [recorded in
   [26]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action01]

   [NEW] ACTION: Felix to adopt
   [27]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0
   024.html with todays discussion after the CR call [recorded in
   [28]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action04]

     [27]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0024.html

   [DONE] ACTION: Christian to come up with paragraph and answer to
   Felix w/r desciption of the compatibility test format [recorded in
   [29]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action02]
   [DONE] ACTION: Yves to setup teleconf with Tony [recorded in
   [30]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/25-i18nits-minutes.html#action03]

   [End of minutes]
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