- From: Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 10:10:16 +0900
- To: "public-i18n-its@w3.org" <public-i18n-its@w3.org>
Hi all,
The minutes from yesterday's call are at
http://www.w3.org/2005/10/26-i18n-minutes.html
and as text in this mail.
Best,
Felix
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
I18N ITS WG
26 Oct 2005
[2]Agenda
[2]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2005OctDec/0046.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2005/10/26-i18n-irc
Attendees
Present
Andrzej, Christian, Diane, Damian, Felix, Goutam, Richard
Regrets
Sebastian, Yves
Chair
Felix
Scribe
Felix
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]action items
2. [6]Title of the document
3. [7]General structure of the document
4. [8]On the notion of "data categories" (We still need a
definition)
5. [9]What data categories should we concentrate on?
6. [10]Scheduling of publication of first wd / updated working
draft or req document
7. [11]Other Business
* [12]Summary of Action Items
_________________________________________________________
action items
<fsasaki> ACTION: FS to produce an odd for the scoping element, with
the complete document structure (DONE) [recorded in
[13]http://www.w3.org/2005/10/26-i18n-minutes.html#action01]
<fsasaki>
[14]http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/itstagset.odd
[14] http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/itstagset.odd
<fsasaki>
[15]http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/itstagset.html
[15] http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/itstagset.html
<fsasaki> How to evoke the stylesheets (explanation will follow via
mai):
<fsasaki> java -cp "c:/saxon1-0/saxon.jar"
"com.icl.saxon.StyleSheet" itstagset.odd odd2xmlspec.xsl >
itstagset-xmlspec.xml
<fsasaki> java -cp "c:/saxon/saxon8.jar" "net.sf.saxon.Transform"
itstagset-xmlspec.xml ../../../xmlspec/002/xmlspec-i18n.xsl >
itstagset.html
<fsasaki> java -cp "c:/saxon1-0/saxon.jar"
"com.icl.saxon.StyleSheet" -o its.dtd itstagset.odd
[16]http://www.tei-c.org/release/xml/tei/stylesheet/odds/odd2dtd.xsl
[16] http://www.tei-c.org/release/xml/tei/stylesheet/odds/odd2dtd.xsl
<fsasaki> java -cp "c:/saxon1-0/saxon.jar"
"com.icl.saxon.StyleSheet" -o its.rng itstagset.odd
[17]http://www.tei-c.org/release/xml/tei/stylesheet/odds/odd2relax.x
sl
[17]
http://www.tei-c.org/release/xml/tei/stylesheet/odds/odd2relax.xsl
<fsasaki> java -jar "c:/Program Files/trang-20030619/trang.jar"
its.rng its.rnc
<fsasaki> java -jar "c:/Program Files/trang-20030619/trang.jar" -o
disable-abstract-elements its.rng its.xsd
<fsasaki> AZ: use of cdata:
<fsasaki> <eg><![CDATA[<text its:translate="yes"
its:translateScope="//p">
<fsasaki> <!-- all p elements should be translated -->
<fsasaki> ...
<fsasaki> <p its:translate="no" its:translateScope="."/>
<fsasaki> </text>
<fsasaki> ]]></eg>
<fsasaki> AZ: stuff in cdata is hard to translate
<fsasaki> ACTION: FS to put as many as possible requirements into
the tag set working draft (pending) [recorded in
[18]http://www.w3.org/2005/10/26-i18n-minutes.html#action02]
<fsasaki> ACTION: CL to use ODD to specify the indicator of
translatability req (pending) [recorded in
[19]http://www.w3.org/2005/10/26-i18n-minutes.html#action03]
<fsasaki> ACTION: FS to write a mail to the member list to explain
odd and the stylesheets [recorded in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2005/10/26-i18n-minutes.html#action04]
<fsasaki> ACTION: Put extensibility in the WD in the way discussed
in last teleconf (pending) [recorded in
[21]http://www.w3.org/2005/10/26-i18n-minutes.html#action05]
<fsasaki> ACTION: SR to put a comment into the nested element
http://esw.w3.org/topic/its0509ReqNestedElements (pending) [recorded
in [22]http://www.w3.org/2005/10/26-i18n-minutes.html#action06]
<fsasaki> ACTION: YS to ask RI for techniques template. (pending)
[recorded in
[23]http://www.w3.org/2005/10/26-i18n-minutes.html#action07]
Title of the document
<fsasaki> "Implementation of Requirements for Internationalization
and Localization"
<fsasaki> CL: is what we are doing similar to Xlink?
<fsasaki> FS: parts of it
<fsasaki> FS: "A language for Internationalization and Localization"
<chriLi> XML Standard Localization and Internationalization Markup
(XSLIM)
<fsasaki> Damien: CL title says more what the document is about
<fsasaki> how about "XML Localization and Internationalization
Markup Language"?
General structure of the document
<fsasaki> FS: what do you think about the general structure of the
document?
<fsasaki> CL: should we have an example for the problem we want to
solve?
<fsasaki> FS: how about the application scenarios section:
[24]http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/itstagset.html#d2e
120
[24]
http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/itstagset.html#d2e120
<fsasaki> FS: we could have an example for each application scenario
<fsasaki> .. to cover all audiences
<fsasaki> Damien: what limitations do we want to address?
<fsasaki> FS: could be also in the application scenario section
<fsasaki> .. or with a link to the requirements doc
<fsasaki> Damien: would be fine with me
<fsasaki>
[25]http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/itstagset.html#d2e
210
[25]
http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/itstagset.html#d2e210
<fsasaki> Damien: examples with the definitions improves
readability; it also must be clear to separate them visually from
the definitions
<fsasaki> Damien: there is knowledge required what the limitations
are which this document will address. At least pointer to a detailed
description of the limitations
<fsasaki> structure of data categories description: "data cat def" +
"relation to scope"
<fsasaki> FS: should scope and data cat be together or separate in
the document, with links to each other?
<fsasaki> CL: we should spell this out for an example and ask again
<fsasaki> FS: on modularizations of ITS: should that be in the
document?
<fsasaki> .. see
[26]http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/itstagset.html#d2e
814
[26]
http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/itstagset.html#d2e814
<fsasaki> CL: we have to do a lobby work with the people on these
standard committees
<fsasaki> FS: so we could have such a section; we will see during
the lobby work how it will be
On the notion of "data categories" (We still need a definition)
<fsasaki> FS: we have to work that out, but not today
What data categories should we concentrate on?
<fsasaki> FS: any preferences except translatability and ruby?
<fsasaki> FS: could we just cut and paste the req from the working
draft?
<fsasaki> CL: we should go for the stuff which is in the DTD snippet
from last call.
<fsasaki>See [27]http://esw.w3.org/topic/its0509SpecScoping, sec.
"Markup declaration for scope in instance documents"
[27] http://esw.w3.org/topic/its0509SpecScoping
<fsasaki> .. they should be in the first draft
<fsasaki> Damian: Information about contextual information was not
included in the DTD snippet, would be good to be in there
<fsasaki> .. i.e. contextual information about translation
<fsasaki> CL: we discussed translatability on this lines
Scheduling of publication of first wd / updated working draft or req
document
<fsasaki> FS: I would like to put as many as possible req in the wd,
discuss it next week, publish in two weeks
<fsasaki> CL: I have not very much time until 8 November
Other Business
<fsasaki> No other business
Summary of Action Items
[DONE] ACTION: FS to produce an odd for the scoping element, with
the complete [recorded in
[28]http://www.w3.org/2005/10/26-i18n-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: FS to write a mail to the member list to explain odd
and the stylesheets [recorded in
[29]http://www.w3.org/2005/10/26-i18n-minutes.html#action04]
[PENDING] ACTION: CL to use ODD to specify the indicator of
translatability req [recorded in
[30]http://www.w3.org/2005/10/26-i18n-minutes.html#action03]
[PENDING] ACTION: FS to put as many as possible requirements into
the tag set working draft [recorded in
[31]http://www.w3.org/2005/10/26-i18n-minutes.html#action02]
[PENDING] ACTION: Put extensibility in the WD in the way discussed
in last teleconf [recorded in
[32]http://www.w3.org/2005/10/26-i18n-minutes.html#action05]
[PENDING] ACTION: SR to put a comment into the nested element
http://esw.w3.org/topic/its0509ReqNestedElements [recorded in
[33]http://www.w3.org/2005/10/26-i18n-minutes.html#action06]
[PENDING] ACTION: YS to ask RI for techniques template. [recorded in
[34]http://www.w3.org/2005/10/26-i18n-minutes.html#action07]
[End of minutes]
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