- From: Richard Ishida <ishida@w3.org>
- Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 17:26:33 +0100
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Subject: Minutes 2006-07-12: GEO telecon
http://www.w3.org/2006/07/12-i18ngeo-minutes.html
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GEO telecon
12 Jul 2006
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/12-i18ngeo-irc
Attendees
Present
Richard, David, Russ
Regrets
Molly, Najib, Pasquale
Chair
Richard
Scribe
r12a
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]Agenda & actions review
2. [5]Info Share
3. [6]Feedback
4. [7]CSS3 and international text
5. [8]Specifying Language in XHTML & HTML Content
6. [9]Language Tags in XML and HTML
7. [10]Handling Right-to-left Scripts in XHTML and HTML
Content
* [11]Summary of Action Items
_________________________________________________________
<scribe> Scribe: r12a
Agenda & actions review
<scribe> ACTION: Andrew, review
[12]http://esw.w3.org/topic/geoEncoding and draft some more text,
and discuss on 28th [ONGOING] [recorded in
[13]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/12-i18ngeo-minutes.html#action01]
[12] http://esw.w3.org/topic/geoEncoding
<scribe> ACTION: Andrew, Work on comments for What should I consider
wrt moving to UTF-8? [ONGOING] [recorded in
[14]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/12-i18ngeo-minutes.html#action02]
<scribe> ACTION: John, look at Getting Started stuff to provide more
material. [ONGOING] [recorded in
[15]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/12-i18ngeo-minutes.html#action03]
<scribe> ACTION: RI, change the IRC channel in the agenda [DONE]
[recorded in
[16]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/12-i18ngeo-minutes.html#action04]
<scribe> ACTION: RI, send Andrew comments related to "What should I
consider wrt moving to UTF-8" [ONGOING]
<scribe> ACTION: RI, send out note asking for feedback on possible
new names for 'primary language' [DONE] [recorded in
[17]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/12-i18ngeo-minutes.html#action05]
Info Share
David: on an anti-spam discussion group someone was trying to
understand the Chinese - David suggested changing the encoding
... which led to a general discussion
... which led to discussion of GEO work and outreach
RI: reviewing a chapter for a book by Liz Castro on writing XHTLM
and HTML
... PeachPit book that sold over million copies so far
... has a chapter devoted to characters and encodings and language
declarations
... so getting that stuff right is really useful for outreach
... book is entitled HTML, XHTML, and CSS, Sixth Edition: Visual
QuickStart Guide
... due for release in August
... on i18n home page the blog post baout Molly's talk at @media has
a link to two photos on flickr
... current viewing stats for those photos are 6,031 hits
... shows lots of people are visiting
... i spent time looking at the server logs
RI: the rfc 3066bis matching spec has been approved by the IETF
... so now we are going through the final editor related stages of
the process
... however this may still take some time
... until we have a number
Feedback
RR: since june 1st we've had around 261 feedbacks - leading to about
15 with comments
... ie. 5% with comments
... note that the feedback senders are a small percentage of total
visitors, so that's good news
... some feedback is not related to the document - we should
probably just leave these alone
... how should we process these comments?
<scribe> ACTION: Russ, day before the meeting compile a list of
outstanding comments [recorded in
[18]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/12-i18ngeo-minutes.html#action06]
RR: if we then have something that needs discussion we can address
it in the meeting
RI: suggest a wiki page for gathering comments
Agreement
RI: Someone is sending spurious comments all set to score of 1,
often in batches - we should ignore those
CSS3 and international text
RI: has been out for wide review for quite a while
... no comments so far
Agreed to publish
Specifying Language in XHTML & HTML Content
RI: Publish a new interim version?
Agreed to publish
RR: what's the process to include IE7 in the list of tracked user
agents
... current release is beta 3 and likely not many changes, but won't
be released until vista comes out
DC: we shouldn't say anything about it until it is a released
version
RI: I guess i agree with DC
Russ: ok
Language Tags in XML and HTML
[19]http://esw.w3.org/topic/geoLangTags
[19] http://esw.w3.org/topic/geoLangTags
Comments on proposed text? Move to Working Draft ? When to publish?
<scribe> ACTION: RI, move article to working draft [recorded in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/12-i18ngeo-minutes.html#action07]
RI: Should we publish before rfc3066bis has a number?
DC: yes, with notes
RR: if the intended readers can use it now, yes
Agreed, publish as soon as ready
Handling Right-to-left Scripts in XHTML and HTML Content
[21]http://www.w3.org/International/geo/html-tech/tech-lang.html
[21] http://www.w3.org/International/geo/html-tech/tech-lang.html
RI: i've been working away at this, bringing into the same format
and approach as langugae BP
... and adding/developing material too
... any comments today ?
... Particularly new section on Problems with bidi source text
[22]http://www.w3.org/International/geo/html-tech/tech-bidi.html#d2e
276
[22] http://www.w3.org/International/geo/html-tech/tech-bidi.html#d2e276
[23]http://www.w3.org/International/geo/html-tech/tech-bidi.html#d2e
278
[23] http://www.w3.org/International/geo/html-tech/tech-bidi.html#d2e278
Section 3
this is a new section
but provides useful reference information for other parts of the
document
3.3 Example source text in this document
"Given the discussion above, representing examples of source text in
this document can be quite difficult. Should we show source text in
right-to-left order, or left-to-right? Should we assume that the
editor recognizes and handles markup and escapes as separate
entities from the content, and create source fragments that look
like that - or should we show source as it really looks for many
people who don't have such clever editors? And particularly, should
we as
<najib> other problems, some editors insert undesirable entities ot
chars (e.g. when you type space.)
yes, najib, that's mentioned in the previous sections
"We will avoid source code examples unless they are very useful. We
will try to describe how to apply the markup rather than show it."
"We will typically represent examples in a left-to-right context,
and use invisible markup to make content and markup look as you
might expect it to be displayed by an intelligent editor, since this
will provide maximum clarity about the point being made, even if it
doesn't reflect how the markup will look for many people."
<najib> Once, I've suggested to have another mode in the editor to
present all texts from right to left (e.g. abcd efg GFE DCBA hij
...)
David: [$1\47] people may copy and paste [$1\47] you are reliant on
the browser to behave correctly
RI: i've thought of a solution for [$1\47]
eg.
Example 18: The corrected result, using directional marks.
The names of these states in Arabic are ???,? ??????? and ??????,
respectively.
[The names of these states in Arabic are rSm, nirHbla and tiukla
respectively.]
<najib> nirHabla
al Bahrein
[24]http://www.w3.org/International/geo/html-tech/tech-bidi.html#ri2
0030728.072236229
[24] http://www.w3.org/International/geo/html-tech/tech-bidi.html#ri20030728.072236229
<najib> I have a comment on bestpractice 7
<najib> Some time it is useful to use dir markup even if it is not
necessary.
<najib> IT facilitate the insertion of punctuations and resolves the
() conflicts etc.
<najib> Since you surely will have markup arround texts in different
languages (for lang attribute, translate etc..) use dir markup also?
<najib> that's all
najib, since we are low on time, could you please send that in as an
email ?
<najib> Yes.
najib, please read the whole section 7 first, thanks
<najib> OK. I've already read " What you need to know about the bidi
algorithm and inline markup".
great
Meeting adjourned
rssagent, draft minutes
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: RI, move article to working draft [recorded in
[25]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/12-i18ngeo-minutes.html#action07]
[NEW] ACTION: Russ, day before the meeting compile a list of
outstanding comments [recorded in
[26]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/12-i18ngeo-minutes.html#action06]
[PENDING] ACTION: Andrew, review
[27]http://esw.w3.org/topic/geoEncoding and draft some more text,
and discuss on 28th [recorded in
[28]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/12-i18ngeo-minutes.html#action01]
[PENDING] ACTION: Andrew, Work on comments for What should I
consider wrt moving to UTF-8? [recorded in
[29]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/12-i18ngeo-minutes.html#action02]
[PENDING] ACTION: John, look at Getting Started stuff to provide
more material. [recorded in
[30]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/12-i18ngeo-minutes.html#action03]
[27] http://esw.w3.org/topic/geoEncoding
[DONE] ACTION: RI, change the IRC channel in the agenda [recorded in
[31]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/12-i18ngeo-minutes.html#action04]
[DONE] ACTION: RI, send out note asking for feedback on possible new
names for 'primary language' [recorded in
[32]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/12-i18ngeo-minutes.html#action05]
[End of minutes]
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Internationalization Lead
W3C (World Wide Web Consortium)
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