- From: Richard Ishida <ishida@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 09:27:48 -0000
- To: "GEO" <public-i18n-geo@w3.org>
Minutes GEO Face to Face: 2005-03-03 [This obsoletes the email with subject "Minutes 2005-02-09: GEO FTF: 2005-03-03"] Location: Boston, Massachusetts, USA Scribe: Deborah Cawkwell Times are in GMT/UTC Attendees: Richard Ishida (Chair I18N GEO), Deborah Cawkwell (BBC World Service), Martin Duerst (W3C I18N activity lead), Susan K Miller (Boeing), Russ Rolfe (Microsoft), Felix Sasaki (future W3C) Attending via IRC: Andrew Cunningham Regrets: none NEW ACTIONS ----------- ACTION: RI, implement agreed changes to resource boxes in techniques doc ACTION: RI, add links to wiki(s) from GEO home page ACTION: RR, make list of dev resources & will try to divy up tomorrow Session Start: Thu Mar 03 14:54:05 2005 Session Ident: #i18n [14:54] * Now talking in #i18n REVIEW OF ACTIONS ----------------- [14:54] AC tests outstanding [14:54] XML tutorial for Arabic & Hebrrew [14:55] translation bi-di markup into French [14:55] will be a part of tutorial for www conference in April (Arabic & Hebrew) [14:56] RI has done presentations in Powerpoint [14:56] has found a way to transform Powerpoint to HTML [14:56] does this by taking screenshots of each slide [14:57] We always annotate slides so most of the information is in there anyway [14:57] demonstration of what the tool does so far [14:57] has taken existing tutorial as a test case [14:58] difference is the addition of screenshots [14:58] you could click on any screenshot [14:58] & go to a larger view where screenshot is bigger, more legible [14:58] & includes notes [14:59] notes not yet integrated with SVG slides [14:59] SVG would be better to use as presentation slides [14:59] Definitely one way to show only slides [15:00] Ideally screenshot would be SVG not png [15:00] <Deborah> Is the text of the slides in alt attribute [15:00] alt text currently only says slide [15:01] <AndrewC> longdesc? [15:01] not currently [15:01] but in development [15:03] longdesc could work with a URI [15:03] for screenreader [15:03] Richard will talk to WAI folks [15:04] [back to demo] [15:04] system allows you to jump from slides in HTML with png images back to tutorial [15:04] Work items list done INFO SHARE ---------- [15:05] new techniques index operational [15:05] for those not on last call [15:06] nav from home to techniques [15:06] takes you to techniques index [15:06] http://www.w3.org/International/technique-index [15:07] - links info for each technique link presented at this level [15:07] also outline link for each technique [15:08] new techniques doc published [15:08] Language of Content [15:08] Core is looking for reviewers of specs [15:08] Please put your hand up if you're interested [15:08] Different ways of doing it [15:08] can send to Core [15:09] would not nec need to join that group [15:09] might need to be involved in teleconf [15:09] Deborah signed up for ATAG [15:10] <AndrewC> ... as to hands up ...depends on which specs need reviewing .... [15:10] http://www.w3.org/International/core/reviews [15:10] <Deborah> Andrew: see anything you like? [15:11] does reviewing have an effect on patent policy [15:11] there will be a clause [15:11] if you know of any patents relating [15:11] <AndrewC> llooking, let richard know later [15:11] you need to declare them [15:12] <Deborah> OK Andrew [15:13] This not clear in AT [15:14] http://www.w3.org/International/core/reviews#ATAG [15:14] ATAG 2.0 [15:14] Combining of FAQ & articles list [15:14] done [15:14] no longer FAQ link from home page [15:14] http://www.w3.org/International/articles/ [15:14] also added site search facility [15:15] restricted to i18n site only [15:16] not on every page (search) [15:16] Martin short update on what's happening with lang tags [15:17] Addison P & Mark Davis update [15:17] was no standard for script tags [15:17] desire to include locale information [15:17] done work in IETF [15:17] individual submission [15:18] way to work within this org with setting up a working group [15:18] finished doc [15:18] lot of discussion on list [15:18] for checking lang tag registrations [15:18] at 1st last call [15:18] some people in some companies [15:18] said [15:19] didn't see it before [15:19] more people got involved in discussion [15:19] more players [15:20] also some significant changes to doc [15:20] reg of tags to reg of sub tags [15:20] mailing list with rel parties [15:20] finished discussion [15:20] then to another last call [15:20] at that point things should have worked out [15:21] got down the wrong throat of some people [15:21] ISG - if comes from WG... [15:21] then response can be complainers could have been involved in the WG [15:22] individual submission meant this couldn't work [15:22] 2 last calls [15:22] deceision not been made yet [15:22] decision to make a WG [15:22] 2 co-chairs [15:22] charter sent out on IETF list [15:23] if all goes well this WG will be started & should not need to spend so much time on the drafts [15:23] then 2 new documents about language tags [15:24] 1) syntax, & how registry works [15:24] this system would allow more possibilities [15:24] 2nd document will take a bit longer [15:25] then it would go to HTML, XML specs, etc [15:26] some specs point to RFC successors [15:26] * matthieu has joined #i18n [15:26] not so clear for GEO [15:26] new thing is technically more complicated [15:26] more details [15:26] more choices [15:27] will have to think what is important for whom [15:27] which of the features really gets used a lot [15:27] script important especially for Chinese [15:27] * YvesS has joined #i18n [15:28] some aspects that are lesser used have a lesser requirement for lots of detail [15:28] element of redundancy with script information, eg with Japanese [15:29] 2 documents [15:29] 1) tags [15:29] 2) how to match these tags [15:30] RFC 3066: Tags for the Identification of Languages [15:30] http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3066.txt [15:31] Introduction of Matthieu [15:31] Team Photo next [15:31] * Susan has joined #i18n [15:59] * fantasai has left #i18n [16:02] * Najib has joined #i18N [16:02] * Diane has joined #i18n [16:05] <Deborah> [Back after coffee] REVIEW OF PREVIOUS CHARTER (WHAT WENT WELL WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN DONE BETTER) -------------------------- [16:05] <r12a> http://www.w3.org/2002/05/i18n-recharter/WG-charter.html [16:07] Look at deliverables [16:08] Deliverable: Framework [16:08] Short document of intent [16:08] <r12a> http://www.w3.org/TR/i18n-guide-framework/ [16:09] Identification what Techniques documents would be produced [16:09] & what they would look like [16:09] obviously now out of date [16:09] key reason done [16:10] to get common agreement [16:10] describes desire for task-centred approach [16:10] * cgi-irc has joined #i18n [16:10] what want to achieve in terms of usability [16:10] * cgi-irc is now known as az [16:11] Framework was produced, needs document to be refreshed if to keep it up to date [16:11] Deliverable: Guidelines [16:11] Failed to follow schedule [16:11] but not an issue [16:11] produced one big document [16:11] then split it into three [16:12] current strategy we are following.... [16:12] policy at the moment to work on one document at a time [16:13] need to spend a little more time to get the Techniques to Note [16:13] latter is more formal document [16:13] statement was a little vague [16:13] production of FAQs slowed down in the past few months [16:14] RR: we did well for a group that got together & had to decide where to go [16:14] what not so well is getting stuff out in timely manner [16:15] stuff out there is good & people are using it [16:15] some of us not our day job... [16:15] puts a burden on Richard [16:15] was a time when FAQs produced every week [16:15] then slacked off to work on Techniques document [16:15] not sure we recovered [16:15] only 3 people from original group [16:16] major turnover of people [16:16] loss of Tex, etc [16:16] dynamic of group changed a bigt [16:16] pretty committed 2 and half years ago [16:16] but that was on FAQs, [16:18] initially all same job [16:18] now different sets of skills, different interests [16:18] getting into outreach & stuff like that [16:19] Richard does a lot of the writing these days... [16:19] some people doing more reviewing [16:20] RR in MS: day job is interrrupt based [16:21] DC agreed day job: problems with interrupts [16:22] People in other groups feel they need to put in a couple of weeks at a time [16:22] rather than working in a bitty way [16:23] preference to do more brainstorming in teleconf? [16:24] in doing reviews, we do break in to doing the brainstorming [16:25] <az> dialing in again [16:27] * nomuran has quit IRC (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) [16:27] <az> back again [16:28] susan work process too diffused [16:29] susan & deborah getting focussed but late on Techniques document [16:30] what motivated us to get moving on that document [16:33] overwheming amount of information for new joiners [16:33] Susan never thought it would take this long to get up to speed [16:33] * Diane has quit IRC (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) [16:33] tendency to loose focus on GEO work until agenda email arrives [16:35] could agenda be shorter [16:36] Richard made an effort to make shorter [16:36] just the things we'd get through [16:36] maybe slipping a bit, getting longer [16:36] Plan isn't succeeding on focussing [16:37] <AndrewC> mayb need to identify priorities? [16:38] <Deborah> not clear about what to prioritise [16:38] Feeling we need a road map [16:39] <Najib> I like the road map idea [16:40] Need feeling of movement [16:41] Deadlines maybe too vague [16:42] 2 levels need to work on [16:42] <AndrewC> milestones ... for eaxample ... each techniques doc going to note? [16:43] another problem [16:43] under last charter [16:43] lose on roadmap [16:43] grateful for anything.... [16:43] also developed responsive approach [16:44] as a result of questions or web standards list [16:44] this is hard to put into a road map [16:45] milestones maybe for all 3 techniques docs [16:45] not just the deadlines though [16:45] interim stages [16:46] needs to be managable [16:46] prioritising: how can we do this [16:46] choose one thing a week [16:46] if we roadmapped everything... [16:47] priority 1 & 2 poss not just one thing [16:48] might work, if we get scheduling done as well... [16:48] plus if developing you work on that one thing too [16:50] worries about extra admin overhead [16:50] especially no desire for Gant charts [16:54] also enthusiasm for WIKI experiment [16:54] we should try it all together in the meeting [16:56] update notification via RSS reader [16:57] also richard spoke with Shawn at WAI [16:57] After lunch wendy & Ben [16:57] [we're breaking for lunch shortly] [16:57] <AndrewC> regarding RSS, Thunderbird can handle rss feeds as well as email [17:00] * YvesS has left #i18n [17:06] [lunch - back at 1ish] Over lunch Richard shows Wendy Chisholm and Ben Caldwell the latest developments we have made to our Techniques document format. WAI VISIT --------- [17:53] * az has quit IRC [18:27] Wendy Chisholm & Ben Caldwell joined the meeting [18:28] They are involved in accessibility [18:28] Technique index with list of all techniques [18:28] plus top-level links to outline version & link [18:29] idea to separate resources [18:29] because that can often be updated, [18:29] whilst we wouldn't want to be updating the Technique as often [18:30] * AndrewC_ is now known as AndrewC [18:30] Resources document [18:31] for every section in every techniques documents [18:31] each section has a resources part [18:32] but wnat techniques doc to be readable as a top-to-bottom document [18:32] what if included [18:32] if all resources included [18:33] then link at bottom to 'up-to-date list of resources' [18:33] arguable that easier to read without big blue-blocked resources interrupting [18:33] issue about which resource links to which technique [18:34] maybe less background colour would help [18:34] how should resources separateness be indicated? [18:34] should it stick out or stick in? [18:35] what to do when new document available? [18:35] RFC 3066bis [18:35] could not just be pasted in [18:35] other simpler stuff could be [18:36] Resources have different sections: [18:36] Background information [18:36] How tos [18:36] Sources [18:37] distracting duplication? [18:37] Could the information go on one line? [18:37] Would that make it easier to read? [18:38] * Susan has quit IRC (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) [18:38] Not about changing the length of the document, it's about the resources not disrupting the flow too much [18:38] could it be collapsible (ie. JavaScript) [18:39] Richard unsure about using it? [18:39] Ben: has it ever been done in TR space? [18:39] Would JS have to be used? [18:39] Worry with JS that might not be forward-compatible [18:39] Russ: why not ask the audience? [18:40] Worst off is that the answer is no [18:40] Matt is in meeting [18:40] Says JS should not be used for this [18:40] Thoughts of achieving this result with stylesheets [18:40] but JS would be needed to change the stylesheets [18:41] Wendy had no problem with these blocks interrupting the flow [18:41] These blocks are a lot of the content [18:41] Wendy: feels it adds credibility [18:41] If you read the document without these, you could feel they just talk about it [18:42] Desire to know what the references are behind this information [18:42] Depends on audience & task [18:42] Developer vs reading for input / communication [18:42] For the latter you need the info behind the technique [18:43] For the former, (maybe) you just want to know how to do it [18:43] Does it get in the way? [18:43] Yes, likes lots of white space & not clutter [18:43] eye drawn to box not to the other information [18:43] info in box is scannable [18:43] nicely laid out [18:45] Heading of technique is too similar to boxing style [18:45] should leave in (resources box) but look at the styling [18:45] indentation - could be used? [18:45] could the box be floated off to the right? [18:46] If mostly there isn't any more, do you want to send somone off to 'latest / most up-to-date' [18:47] [3 people in meeting live in Seattle: Wendy, Susan, Russ] [18:47] [could conf be in Seattle] [18:47] Floated to right - would all examples fit? [18:47] Too much going on [18:47] So many colours, fonts, alignment differences [18:48] too much clutter [18:49] styling should be less obstrusive [18:49] Pink boxes have same colour text ... [18:51] cf Bert Bos presentation style [18:51] tried with a few browsers [18:52] some not rendering ok [18:52] but still works [18:53] <r12a> http://www.w3.org/2005/02/3GSM-2005.html [18:53] use of boxes with corners, shadows [18:54] doesn't work in IE [18:54] new version IE [18:54] Summary: work on styling required [18:55] Don't remove rosources from document [18:55] but add a link at the bottom ACTION: RI, implement agreed changes to resource boxes in techniques doc [18:55] [Ben & Matt introduced: Wendy feels important work they can do together] CURRENT CHARTER REVIEW & ROADMAP DISCUSSIONS -------------------------------------------- [18:56] Latest charter [18:57] Deliverables [18:58] http://www.w3.org/2004/11/i18n-recharter/geo-charter#deliverables [18:58] Topic areas: [18:58] * Susan has joined #i18n [18:59] Refine the Working Drafts of the following techniques documents in the series 'Authoring Techniques for XHTML & HTML Internationalization', and move to Working Group Note status: [18:59] Expectation that more techniques docs would be delivered [18:59] Produce a tutorial on implementing markup for right to left scripts (eg. Arabic and Hebrew). [18:59] Produce advice for styling Chinese, Japanese and Korean sites, based on current capabilities of CSS2 and previewing capabilities expected with CSS3. [18:59] will be done by Richard for www conf [19:00] New question/direction: [19:00] Begin work on advice for authoring tool developers related to declaration of language and encoding in XHTML. [19:00] * russ has joined #I18n [19:00] what should tool developers do? [19:00] Also: [19:00] Provide how-to information about use of multilingual features in XSLT. [19:00] <Deborah> so branching away from HTML [19:01] Mentioned briefly in original charter [19:01] v vague then [19:01] Note, in addition, that the GEO WG will assist in the development of guidelines by the ITS WG relating to DTD and XML Schema internationalization. [19:02] Also, assistance for ITS WG [19:02] Thoughts on this? [19:02] Nice to talk about roadmaps [19:03] Outreach time: consensus time has come to get stuff out there [19:04] given that lots of information has been produced [19:04] Breakdown of tasks [19:04] eg [19:06] Provide how-to info about use of multilingual features in XSLT: [19:06] which ml features? [19:07] what sort of how-to info [19:07] - extracting text from code [19:08] which Richard has done for techniques document [19:09] eg, using an XML config [19:10] Some languages might use word & numbering in different sorts of combinations [19:10] Felix question: [19:10] is there a reason why you focus on XSLT [19:10] suggests advice on XQuery [19:10] Richard was asked to choose a few days before charter [19:11] what we do depends on the knowledge & expertise of the group [19:11] XSLT has a very clearly defined standard version [19:11] XQuery is not yet at this stage [19:12] do not preclude talking about new technologies [19:12] would definitely talk about CSS3 [19:12] XSLT 2.0 interesting case [19:13] How close do we need to be [19:13] if spec changes examples can change [19:13] Still publishing Techniques as WD [19:13] Not yet Note status [19:13] when Note status harder to change [19:14] FAQs & articles easier to change [19:14] wouldn't want to see a Note with fixed examples when stilll in working draft [19:15] would there be a problem of FAQs, etc, getting out of sync with Techniques [19:15] handy Matthieu in room as W3C webmaster [19:16] If we dev language tagging version 1 [19:16] then in a year's time .... [19:17] Should this document 'Specifying the language of content' have a version number? [19:18] Analogies with HTML specs [19:19] <r12a> http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/ [19:19] Slightly different ways are used [19:19] No requirement for version number because a 'replaced' document, would never need to refer back to previous versions. [19:19] People always would want to use the latest one [19:20] Difficult to predict [19:20] Extensibility issue [19:20] heard about yesterday at Plenary day [19:20] (presentations will be available from the agenda) [19:20] 'Evolution vs revolution' etc. [19:21] - extracting text from code [19:22] - how to sort info using XSLT [19:22] - how to change the encoding [19:22] - how to use the language information [19:22] what happens when you have mixed languages? [19:22] XSL 2.0 should be fixed [19:24] you can tell the language of the text you're taking... [19:24] - combining sources in different languages [19:25] sure there are plenty more [19:25] not nec for XSLT 1.0 [19:25] driving factor is what the content author wants to do / their task [19:26] XHTML / HTML / CSS [19:26] - are there things that are missing [19:27] - is there a sequence of stuff AGREED: Remove the 1.0 from the techniques doc title, since we will use the same short name for updated revisions [19:27] GETTING STARTED ------------------------ - also a topic area [19:28] http://www.w3.org/2004/11/i18n-recharter/geo-charter [19:28] [buiilding a roadmap from items identified in the charter] [19:28] NAVIGATION [19:28] XHTML / HTML / CSS [19:29] - navigation [19:29] - language [19:29] - charset [19:29] - bidi [19:29] - text styling [19:29] Here's what you'll be able to do [19:31] re css mentioned Perl module that can take CSS out of stylesheet & put into XML [19:32] Susan looking for a process rather than a topic [19:33] With these lists, Susan has some concern about knowing where we want to go to [19:33] We need a goal of what we need to achieve [19:33] Rather than brainstorming what we'd like to do [19:33] What do we need to do to get to that place [19:33] * russ has quit IRC (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) [19:33] Not just looking for the goodies to pick [19:33] Where are the gaps? [19:34] Tell content authors what they need to know [19:34] Ideally topics would map to the vision [19:34] Is this realistic [19:34] Approach so far has been that's such a big thing [19:34] Let's eat the elephant one bite at a time [19:34] Given limited resources [19:35] Ensure bites are coming from the elephant not some other animal [19:35] Let's look back at the mission [19:36] quite vaguely expressed [19:36] but 2 piece [19:36] 1) setting up the rules [19:36] 2) getting them out there [19:36] Seen the need to go more for outreach [19:36] Maybe just as important as writing on 5 different aspects of XSLT [19:37] how do we get them out there? [19:37] We're not sure that developers come to the W3C as a resource [19:38] If we just dedicated to outreach more than to producing documents.... [19:38] Getting traffic up [19:38] From Susan over to Russ [19:38] How many hits do we get [19:38] There is a hits page [19:38] How up-to-date is it? [19:44] what does a hit mean? [19:44] * Najib has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer) [19:46] quantitive / qualitative evaluation [19:47] how satisfied are users with the information on the site? [19:47] how much are pages improving in terms of i18n? [19:47] Talk about the name [19:48] Not doing enough outreach [19:48] How to do it? [19:48] Pull back: what we're talking about is roadmaps.... [19:49] Intended to help us to see how we get through the process... [19:49] getting us through our higher goals [19:49] - create educational material [19:49] - get it out there [19:49] * Najib has joined #i18N [19:49] - get people to use it [19:49] Russ has same mission at MS [19:50] Has never been able to put down a roadmap per se [19:50] GEO is a service, not a product [19:50] we want to teach content authors for techniques for HTML, CSS, XSLT [19:51] also want to to teach tool developers [19:52] XSLT content authors [19:52] how many content authors use HTML directly? [19:52] Not using a tool [19:52] Most people who do work with scripting, use that as a tool, [19:53] but are often using that tool to output the HTML as a string [19:54] Change of definitions from lists of tasks to lists of audiences: [19:54] - subgroups [19:54] - experts [19:55] - html coders [19:55] - wysiwygers [19:55] - html coderws [19:55] - beginners [19:56] - server based scripters [19:56] - linguists vs beginners [19:57] Some overlap in the grousp [20:00] <AndrewC> other audience, mentioned earlier in the day, langauge specific audiences, eg Arabic, Hebrew, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, etc [20:01] Survey required: who's out there & how do we serve them? [20:02] better grasp of real users [20:02] how to get that information: [20:03] Shawn had reservations on survey [20:03] <AndrewC> suvey probably unproductive [20:03] <Deborah> do you have alternatives? [20:04] <AndrewC> problem is there are two many ways of subdividing or identifying audiences [20:05] <AndrewC> audiences listed so far .. fall into maybe three areas [20:05] <AndrewC> audience in terms of skill level and knowledge [20:05] <AndrewC> audience in terms of language rquirements [20:05] <AndrewC> audience in terms of tools used [20:06] <AndrewC> its a problem we struggle with locally .... [20:06] <r12a> thanks andrew [20:07] <AndrewC> map possibible audience in terms of needs? [20:07] <AndrewC> not sure [20:07] * russ has joined #I18n [20:08] could stick the list into WIKI [20:09] using lists to ask what they think - offer them a survey [20:10] * matthieu has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [20:12] <r12a> [break time] PRACTICAL SESSION WITH WIKI --------------------------- [20:43] <r12a> http://esw.w3.org/topic/geoFaq1 [21:09] [Playing with WIKI] [21:09] <Deborah> Andrew you still there? [21:09] <Deborah> Can you access the WIKI? [21:09] Thinking about how WIKI works. [21:10] If new page created, then email should be sent to group advising that this page has been created. [21:11] Then people should subscribe to this page. [21:11] Mentioned about saving frequently. [21:12] Want to work out differences between different versions. [21:21] Rule is you only change if you are the author. [21:21] * AndrewC has quit IRC (Ping timeout) [21:22] How does the author respond to comments? [21:23] In the case of a typo, you could just fix it. [21:24] If you want to delete someone's comments, you would mark that you had done this. [21:25] Could we use one style to indicate comments. [21:26] * AndrewC has joined #i18n [21:26] Follow the instructions about editing on the WIKI set out at the top of the document. [21:28] Instructions to be added at the top of every new WIKI page. [21:30] Make sure you go the the right page on the WIKI [21:30] It seems to be primarily owned by SW people. [21:39] <AndrewC> wondering if a GEO index page should be built? to point to all the GEO specific stuff in the wiki [21:39] <AndrewC> haven't tried editing it ACTION: RI, add links to wiki(s) from GEO home page [21:41] Convention - use 'geo' to start any new WIKI file name [21:42] Capture how to make page in WIKI HANDLING WORKLOAD ----------------- [21:50] The plan/pipeline document will contain 2 items for each teleconf with 2 weeks notice to do the work [21:50] <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/geo/2004/article-devt-process.html OUTREACH IDEAS -------------- [21:53] Liaison between other i18n groups [21:53] specified adequately in charter [21:53] will evolve [21:54] going through other items [21:54] will do user scenarios tomorrow [21:54] outreach resources [21:57] use search feed in Bloglines [21:58] one search term = www.w3.org/International [21:59] these are blogs at blogline [21:59] Technorati allows you to do the same thing [22:06] WSG site [22:06] http://webstandardsgroup.org/ [22:06] The Web Standards Group is for web designers & developers who are interested in web standards (HTML, XHTML, XML, CSS, XSLT etc.) and best practices (accessible sites using valid and semantically correct code). [22:09] http://www.webstandards.org/ [22:09] announcement of publications on wsg list [22:10] on this only [22:10] anyone know any other groups [22:11] mailing lists, also websites used [22:11] eg http://www.w3schools.com [22:13] http://www.i18ngurus.com/ [22:14] then click on communities [22:14] you get to [22:14] http://www.i18ngurus.com/docs/993028933.html [22:15] So, developer resources = mailing, forums, web sites (both general & specialist) [22:15] We can push info to some & listen to other - mixed balance [22:20] How could DC have better dealt with w3schools [22:21] initial contact - need a clear idea of what is wanted [22:22] eg add us to their resources [22:22] allow us to announce publications/resources [22:22] <Najib> http://www.pcmag-arabic.com/ [22:23] distinction on w3schools between what's missing & what's not yet there, eg (at that time) lang tag, charset vs bidi, ruby [22:23] ACTION: Russ, make list of dev resources & will try to divy up tomorrow [22:24] <r12a> http://openweb.eu.org/ [22:24] <r12a> talk to karl about posting information to these folks [22:26] <AndrewC> also some governments have central information points, ie http://www.egov.vic.gov.au/ [22:29] <AndrewC> http://www.egov.vic.gov.au/Research/WebSiteIssues/MultilingualIssues/multiling.htm [22:29] * Susan has quit IRC (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) [22:35] * Najib has quit IRC (Client exited) [22:36] <r12a> [meeting closed for the day] http://www.bbc.co.uk/ This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. 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