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Re: In Development: Pages to Describe Zaima Chant Requirements

From: Daniel Yacob <yacob@geez.org>
Date: Fri, 11 May 2018 10:43:54 -0400
Message-ID: <CACvO6KA508+kfedMaFuvxb1KZzv-Gt6uJxPS=+Gx=DBVFch2qg@mail.gmail.com>
To: Martin J. Dürst <duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp>
Cc: Richard Ishida <ishida@w3.org>, "public-i18n-ethiopic@w3.org" <public-i18n-ethiopic@w3.org>
Just a note here to report that after contacting a couple W3C HTML and CSS
mail lists I was advised to create an incubator group to address Zaima
under the broader umbrella of of Interlinear Text Layout.

The proposal for the group's creation is available here:

https://www.w3.org/community/groups/proposed/#itlcg

Please consider supporting it if you're organization has W3C membership.

thanks,

-Daniel



On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 6:51 PM Martin J. Dürst <duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp>
wrote:

> Hello Richard,
>
> I think Daniel has some good suggestions below for lists to contact, but
> you may know even better. Please advise.
>
> Regards,    Martin.
>
> On 2017/11/08 02:54, Daniel Yacob wrote:
> > Martin & Elias,
> >
> > Thank you for the remarks.  Regarding informing other parties within the
> > W3C, I'm really not sure where to start when I look over the many, many
> > email lists.  Some that look like good candidates are:
> >
> >    www-style, w3c-css-wg, public-html, www-internationalization
> >
> > Should I send a note to some or all of the above, any others?  Are there
> > any recommended additions or modifications to the pages that should be
> made
> > before alerting other groups to them?
> >
> > thank you,
> >
> > -Daniel
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 12:01 AM Wondimu, Elias <Elias.Wondimu@lmu.edu>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Martin,
> >>
> >> Thank you for sharing this note. What Daniel is doing for Ethiopic
> >> writings is very important and please help us spread this with in the
> HTML
> >> and CSS WGs community. Let me know if I can assist you from my end.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Elias
> >>
> >>
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> >> From: Martin J. Dürst [duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp]
> >> Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2017 8:38 PM
> >> To: Daniel Yacob; public-i18n-ethiopic@w3.org
> >> Subject: Re: In Development: Pages to Describe Zaima Chant Requirements
> >>
> >> Hello Daniel,
> >>
> >> I have had a short look at your pages, and am very impressed with your
> >> work. We should make sure that people e.g. in the HTML and CSS WGs are
> >> aware of this.
> >>
> >> Regards,    Martin.
> >>
> >> On 2017/11/02 11:19, Daniel Yacob wrote:
> >>> Greetings All,
> >>>
> >>> I had some inspiration recently that many of the challenges of
> presenting
> >>> Zaima chant notation could be handled by layered Ruby markup where the
> >>> notation text is elevated in successive layers.  In effect, treating
> >> Zaima
> >>> as a three dimensional document projected onto a surface.  It worked
> out
> >>> pretty well.  It seems with CSS and JavaScript almost anything is
> >> possible
> >>> these days.
> >>>
> >>> While the experiment worked, the approach is akin to a "slight of hand"
> >>> that was very sensitive to browser versions and had no guarantee of
> >> working
> >>> long term.  Case in point, when my browser updated (Chrome v60 to v61),
> >> it
> >>> all fell apart and I had to start over.  In some respects presentation
> >>> capability was lost under the upgrade.
> >>>
> >>> The exercise did allow me to think about the broader problem of
> >> supporting
> >>> the Ge'ez hymnody, beyond just the interlinear notation. Broader still,
> >> to
> >>> consider HTML support of chant traditions that rely on staffless
> >> notation.
> >>> I am lead to conclude that the W3C would serve a broad, multi-national
> >> and
> >>> multilingual community if it took on the problem of addressing
> >> interlinear
> >>> layout more robustly by considering the use cases from chant
> literature.
> >>>
> >>> Presentation experiments, use cases, and thoughts on a document model
> >>> (general chant and zaima specific extensions) are presented here:
> >>>
> >>>     http://w3c.github.io/elreq/zaima/
> >>>
> >>> I have mostly tested the pages in Chrome 61 and Safari 11 which do
> pretty
> >>> well, your browser window will need to be opened wide for most pages if
> >> not
> >>> full screen.  The documents change almost daily, but are stable for the
> >>> most part now.
> >>>
> >>> There is a lot that can be said about the various aspects of the
> >>> experiments and where they could lead, and many questions raised in
> need
> >> of
> >>> expert input, but I'll stop for now.  In short, I plan to continue
> >> refining
> >>> the zaima document model and hope to take up the general problem of
> >>> interlinear text layout with interested groups at the W3C.  Any input
> is
> >>> welcomed.
> >>>
> >>> thanks,
> >>>
> >>> -Daniel
> >>
> >>
> >
>
> --
> Prof. Dr.sc. Martin J. Dürst
> Department of Intelligent Information Technology
> College of Science and Engineering
> Aoyama Gakuin University
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