Re: Usage of language tags in SKOS

2009/6/23 "Martin J. Dürst" <duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp>

> I just looked at it in some more detail, and it's wrong on at least 3
> points:
>
> 1) Subtags have to be 8 letters or less, but all their examples contain
> subtags longer than 9 letters.
>
> 2) Use of private use tags in an official spec by a Standards Organization
> is simply "not eating your own dogfood".
>
> 3) Of course, the notations involved aren't natural human languages at all.
>
> Regards,    Martin.
>
> P.S.: If somebody is or knows an AC Rep, please (tell them to) vote "yes,
> BUT" (or "no") on the involved specs. That's the fastest way to fix the
> problems.



Good point - If nobody disagrees here and has no further remarks I (AC of
University of Applied Sciences Potsdam) will make that comment.

Felix



>
>
> On 2009/06/23 14:15, Felix Sasaki wrote:
>
>> Unfortunately, they do the same in the SKOS proposed recommendation:
>> http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/PR-skos-reference-20090615/#L2655
>> So this seems to need some action ASAP from our side - agenda+ for the
>> next
>> call.
>>
>> Felix
>>
>> 2009/6/23 "Martin J. Dürst"<duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp>
>>
>>  I very much agree with Felix on this. Something like
>>>   skos:prefLabel "FRA"@en-x-notation-threeletter
>>> is totally weird. Just because RDF does allow to tag strings with
>>> languages
>>> doesn't mean that this should be misused for anything and everything. RDF
>>> also has typing, and typing would be much more appropriate.
>>>
>>> [As shepherd of 4646bis, I just was telling the responsible AD (who was
>>> thinking about going as far as disallowing them) that use of private use
>>> tags for language tags is very infrequent. So much for that :-(]
>>>
>>> Regards,   Martin.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2009/06/23 6:55, Felix Sasaki wrote:
>>>
>>>  Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> looking at
>>>> http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-skos-primer-20090615/#secnotations
>>>> I am wondering if SKOS recommends the usage of language tags in an
>>>> appropriate manner. I am not sure about this passage:
>>>>
>>>> [
>>>> However, the management of such datatypes can be cumbersome. Further,
>>>> the
>>>> previous pattern is not really needed when publishers consider the
>>>> notations
>>>> themselves to be simple language-independent labels. In such cases, it
>>>> is
>>>> possible to use one SKOS labeling property, for instance skos:prefLabel,
>>>> in
>>>> combination with private use language tags (or subtags) as defined by
>>>> RFC
>>>> 4646 [RFC4646]. This pattern was first proposed for a list of coded
>>>> countries [COUNTRYCODES-SKOS] from which the following example is
>>>> adapted:
>>>> iso3166:FR skos:prefLabel "France"@en ;
>>>>   skos:prefLabel "FRA"@en-x-notation-threeletter ;
>>>>   skos:prefLabel "250"@x-notation-numerical.
>>>> ]
>>>>
>>>> First, private use language tags are recommended to be used for a
>>>> "language-independent-label", which seems to be a contradiction in
>>>> itself.
>>>> Second, the labels are used for specifying the language of notations as
>>>> part
>>>> of e.g. classifications. Notations for classifications are not natural
>>>> language, but rather closer to identifiers in programming languages, so
>>>> it
>>>> seems to me that usage of language tags is not appropriate for this
>>>> purpose.
>>>> Any comments?
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Felix
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  --
>>> #-# Martin J. Dürst, Professor, Aoyama Gakuin University
>>> #-# http://www.sw.it.aoyama.ac.jp   mailto:duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp
>>>
>>>
>>
> --
> #-# Martin J. Dürst, Professor, Aoyama Gakuin University
> #-# http://www.sw.it.aoyama.ac.jp   mailto:duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp
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