- From: Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org>
- Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 00:59:24 +0900
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Felix
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
i18n core WG
6 Feb 2007
[2]Agenda
[2]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2007Feb/0000.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-i18ncore-irc
Attendees
Present
Felix, Francois, Michael, Richard
Regrets
Ienup
Chair
Francois
Scribe
Felix
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]last minutes
2. [6]action items
3. [7]"IDNs, do they work" document
4. [8]Charmod C064 considered unclear
5. [9]xml:base
6. [10]XQuery review update
7. [11]Work on Japanese layout
8. [12]LTLI update, see
http://www.w3.org/International/core/langtags/ and
normative statements at
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2006Oc
tDec/0048.html .
9. [13]i18n charter review
10. [14]AOB
* [15]Summary of Action Items
_________________________________________________________
last minutes
minutes approved
action items
<scribe> ACTION: Felix to add mobileOK to LC radar (DONE) [recorded
in [16]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-i18ncore-minutes.html#action01]
<scribe> ACTION: Richard to send the "IDN does it work?" document to
GEO (DONE) [recorded in
[17]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-i18ncore-minutes.html#action02]
<scribe> ACTION: all to give feedback on LTLI update (PENDING)
[recorded in
[18]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-i18ncore-minutes.html#action03]
<scribe> ACTION: Felix to write a mail about possibility for SVG
tiny specific IRI tests to Chris and the i18n core list (PENDING)
[recorded in
[19]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-i18ncore-minutes.html#action04]
<scribe> ACTION: Francois to build a current issues list on charmod
norm (PENDING) [recorded in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-i18ncore-minutes.html#action05]
<scribe> ACTION: Francois to draft s.t. for a note about C064 / C065
(DONE) [recorded in
[21]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-i18ncore-minutes.html#action06]
<scribe> ACTION: Francois to have a look at issue 3698 and gather
information on options for diacritics in collations (DROPPED)
[recorded in
[22]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-i18ncore-minutes.html#action07]
Francois: there is no standard for that
Felix: there will be a last call soon I think
<scribe> ACTION: Francois to reread Martins mail on xml:base and to
write a reply to him (PENDING [recorded in
[23]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-i18ncore-minutes.html#action08]
<scribe> ACTION: Ienup to go to the Unicode UTC and check the
stability of the "latest version" URI for referencing Unicode (DONE)
[recorded in
[24]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-i18ncore-minutes.html#action09]
Francois: relevant for the note on C064/65, I used that information
"IDNs, do they work" document
see mail from Richard at
[25]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2007JanMar/
0040.html
[25]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2007JanMar/0040.html
Michael: got some feedback on IDN document
... Mark Davis sent some feedback on the document, I can forward it
to Richard
... he saw some different behavior in IE 7
Richard: What is the different behavior?
Michael describes the mail from Mark at
[26]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2007JanMar/
0028.html
[26]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2007JanMar/0028.html
latest draft from Michael at
[27]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2007JanMar/
0032.html
[27]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2007JanMar/0032.html
Michael: I tested myself and saw that Mark is right
Francois: what was the difference?
Richard: if you have in language preference box "only English"
... they seemed to have worked out "English users use only ASCII, no
umlaut"
... so if you go to "baecker.com" with AUMLAUT, you will get
punycode
... I have en-GB as my setting, you can't have en (only as "user
defined") in IE 7
Francois: so they define ASCII as a new script for "English only"?
Richard: there are many languages which use latin scripts, I wonder
how they figured that out
... I get punycode for en and en-GB
Michael: it associates ASCII with any English language preference
... and latin-1 for any western European languages
Richard: what test did you do, Michael?
Michael: I understand that it is technically correct what Mark says
... but it might be misleading since IE 7 will work if you have a
European language in your preference, even if the character is not
from that language
<scribe> ACTION: Richard to contact Russ and others to figure out
how IE 7 handles display of Punycode and language preference
settings [recorded in
[28]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-i18ncore-minutes.html#action10]
Michael: on the links: some render fine on the screen, but you get a
percent escaped URL
Richard: I can remove the links from the table header
Michael: ok
Richard: anther comment from Thomas Roessler
... he said that this is not about pishing
... I wanted to say that this is a gray area
... if we would say "homograph attack" people would not understand
what we mean
Francois: how about "pishing using a homograph attack"?
Richard: I'll have a look and see what I can come up with
Francois: all very good
Richard: the subsection after the table "other pishing concerns"
after the table
... I tried to summarize a lot of information
Charmod C064 considered unclear
proposal from Francois at
[29]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2007JanMar/
0042.html
[29]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2007JanMar/0042.html
Francois: proposal is to have this note as an erratum
Francois describes the note
Felix: looks good to me
Richard: different wording proposal using "tight"?
Francois: sometimes Unicode is referenced not normatively, so "tied
to" would not fit
Richard: ok
... how do we manage errrata?
Francois: you edit the errata page
Richard: do we have to go through a process?
Francois: for a normative change, you have to publish a new version
of the spec
... for the non-normative note, we just publish the erratum, that is
it
<fyergeau>
[30]http://www.w3.org/2005/02/charmod-fundamentals-errata.html
[30] http://www.w3.org/2005/02/charmod-fundamentals-errata.html
[31]http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/REC-charmod-20050215
[31] http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/REC-charmod-20050215
Francois: we can have an group internal countdown for two weeks, if
nobody protests, we put it on the errata page
RESOLUTION: WG agrees with
[32]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2007JanMar/
0042.html as an erratum for charmod norm. We will have an group
internal countdown for two weeks, if nobody protests, we put it on
the errata page
[32]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2007JanMar/0042.html
xml:base
Francois: too late to do s.t., let's drop this
XQuery review update
Felix: there will be a last call of full text soon, so we can make a
review at last call
Work on Japanese layout
Felix gives a summary
Felix: I'll write a mail later about the task force, just a heads up
for the moment
LTLI update, see [33]http://www.w3.org/International/core/langtags/ and
normative statements at
[34]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2006OctDec/004
8.html .
[33] http://www.w3.org/International/core/langtags/
[34]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2006OctDec/0048.html
Michael: there is a dublicate in sec. 3.1
... there is a typo in sec. 4 first sentence
... in Example 1: the extendend langugae range , why do two hyphens
de-*-DE match e.g. de-DE?
Francois: this is not like pure regex
... the de-*-DE is "two sub tags with any sub tag inbetween"
Michael: ok
Felix: the examples are from the matching spec
... will be fine
<scribe> ACTION: Felix to make updates of LTLI taking Michaels
feedback into account [recorded in
[35]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-i18ncore-minutes.html#action11]
i18n charter review
Richard: review period finishes tomorrow, 25 respones so far
(Richard describes some responses)
(Richard describes the following process)
Richard: if you have ideas on a recruitement plan, please contact me
... after rechartering we have to think how we will organize the
work with the GEO folks
Francois: what is the time line?
Richard: a couple of weeks I think
AOB
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Felix to make updates of LTLI taking Michaels feedback
into account [recorded in
[36]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-i18ncore-minutes.html#action11]
[NEW] ACTION: Richard to contact Russ and others to figure out how
IE 7 handles display of Punycode and language preference settings
[recorded in
[37]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-i18ncore-minutes.html#action10]
[PENDING] ACTION: all to give feedback on LTLI update [recorded in
[38]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-i18ncore-minutes.html#action03]
[PENDING] ACTION: Felix to write a mail about possibility for SVG
tiny specific IRI tests to Chris and the i18n core list [recorded in
[39]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-i18ncore-minutes.html#action04]
[PENDING] ACTION: Francois to build a current issues list on charmod
norm [recorded in
[40]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-i18ncore-minutes.html#action05]
[PENDING] ACTION: Francois to reread Martins mail on xml:base and to
write a reply to him [recorded in
[41]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-i18ncore-minutes.html#action08]
[DONE] ACTION: Felix to add mobileOK to LC radar [recorded in
[42]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-i18ncore-minutes.html#action01]
[DONE] ACTION: Francois to draft s.t. for a note about C064 / C065
[recorded in
[43]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-i18ncore-minutes.html#action06]
[DONE] ACTION: Ienup to go to the Unicode UTC and check the
stability of the "latest version" URI for referencing Unicode
[recorded in
[44]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-i18ncore-minutes.html#action09]
[DONE] ACTION: Richard to send the "IDN does it work?" document to
GEO [recorded in
[45]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-i18ncore-minutes.html#action02]
[DROPPED] ACTION: Francois to have a look at issue 3698 and gather
information on options for diacritics in collations [recorded in
[46]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-i18ncore-minutes.html#action07]
[End of minutes]
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