- From: Richard Ishida <ishida@w3.org>
- Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 19:30:28 +0100
- To: <public-i18n-core@w3.org>
http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-core-minutes.html
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I18n Core telecon
17 Apr 2007
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-core-irc
Attendees
Present
Felix, Richard, Michael_Monaghan, David, Greg_Aaron, Andrew
Regrets
Ienup, Vijay, Karunesh, Tom
Chair
Richard Ishida
Scribe
Michael, David
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]Info Share
2. [5]Core homework page
3. [6]What should I consider wrt moving to UTF-8?
4. [7]xml schema comments
5. [8]SPARQL review
* [9]Summary of Action Items
_________________________________________________________
<scribe> ACTION: David, look at What is encoding, and why should I
[10]http://esw.w3.org/topic/geoEncoding and determine what needs to
be done to move to next stage [recorded in
[11]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/10-core-minutes.html#action09] DONE
[10] http://esw.w3.org/topic/geoEncoding
[11] http://www.w3.org/2007/04/10-core-minutes.html#action09
<MickM> "What is Encoding" - Daivid will plagiarize some images,
simplify article, less theoretical
<MickM> David open to suggestions on the "What is Encoding" article.
<scribe> ACTION: David, redraft What is encoding, and why should I
[12]http://esw.w3.org/topic/geoEncoding for 1st May recorded in
[13]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-core-minutes.html#action02]
[12] http://esw.w3.org/topic/geoEncoding
<scribe> ACTION: RI, move Tagging text with no language information
to HTML [14]http://esw.w3.org/topic/geoNoLanguageTag recorded in
[15]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/10-core-minutes.html#action08] DONE
[14] http://esw.w3.org/topic/geoNoLanguageTag
[15] http://www.w3.org/2007/04/10-core-minutes.html#action08
<MickM> RI recieved lots of feedback on the 'geoNoLanguageTag'
article. Needs to parse feedback etc.
<scribe> ACTION: RI, publish What should I consider wrt moving to
UTF-8?
[16]http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-utf8-upgrade.html
[recorded in
[17]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/10-core-minutes.html#action11] PENDING
[16] http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-utf8-upgrade.html
[17] http://www.w3.org/2007/04/10-core-minutes.html#action11
<scribe> ACTION: Richard, consider a F2F since it has been awhile.
Before or at same time as plenary? [recorded in
[18]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/10-core-minutes.html#action13] PENDING
[18] http://www.w3.org/2007/04/10-core-minutes.html#action13
<scribe> ACTION: Richard, OK to link to
[19]http://people.w3.org/rishida/utils/subtags/ recorded in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/10-core-minutes.html#action12] DONE
[19] http://people.w3.org/rishida/utils/subtags/
[20] http://www.w3.org/2007/04/10-core-minutes.html#action12
<MickM> RI's 'subtag' page receiving some traffic
<scribe> ACTION: All, look at
[21]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2007Mar/003
0.html and send feedback by email for next week [recorded in
[22]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/10-core-minutes.html#action01] CLOSED
[21] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2007Mar/0030.html
[22] http://www.w3.org/2007/04/10-core-minutes.html#action01
<scribe> ACTION: All, review Tagging text with no language
information [23]http://esw.w3.org/topic/geoNoLanguageTag for next
week [recorded in
[24]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/10-core-minutes.html#action02] CLOSED
[23] http://esw.w3.org/topic/geoNoLanguageTag
[24] http://www.w3.org/2007/04/10-core-minutes.html#action02
<scribe> ACTION: Felix to look at EARL Schema and see if a review is
necessary [recorded in
[25]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/10-core-minutes.html#action03] DONE
[25] http://www.w3.org/2007/04/10-core-minutes.html#action03
<MickM> Felix looked at EARL schema - thinks no need for additional
review.
<scribe> ACTION: Felix to look at SPARQL and see if an i18n review
is necessary [recorded in
[26]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/10-core-minutes.html#action04] DONE
[26] http://www.w3.org/2007/04/10-core-minutes.html#action04
<fsasaki>
[27]http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-rdf-sparql-query-20070326/#func-lan
gMatches
[27] http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-rdf-sparql-query-20070326/#func-langMatches
<MickM> Felix looked at SPARQL - one comment - need to discuss one
para - pasted above
Info Share
<GregAaron> nothing to report
Language Declaration Best Practices
PUBLISHED !
[28]http://www.w3.org/TR/i18n-html-tech-lang/
[28] http://www.w3.org/TR/i18n-html-tech-lang/
<fsasaki> congrats!
<GregAaron> well done
<MickM> RI's Info Share: lang declaration BP published as WG note
Updated pipeline page
[29]http://www.w3.org/International/core/pipeline
[29] http://www.w3.org/International/core/pipeline
<MickM> RI updated the 'pipeline' page - to bring it in line with
rest of iste.
Subtag search tool linked to from various places
[30]http://people.w3.org/rishida/utils/subtags/
[30] http://people.w3.org/rishida/utils/subtags/
Core homework page
[31]http://esw.w3.org/topic/coreHomework
[31] http://esw.w3.org/topic/coreHomework
Would it be useful to keep this up?
<MickM> Core Homework Page -lists some tasks awaiting attention.
Should this page be maintained?
<MickM> MM - More useful than agenda. Agenda arrives too late.
<MickM> Felix - agrees that Core homework page a good idea. Little
worried about additional workload
<MickM> RI - yes it's more work, BUT! - might be the diff between
having participants read material before mtg or not
<MickM> RI - might create agenda in wiki
<MickM> All - please send additional agenda requests via email to RI
<MickM> DC: adding to wiki - reasonable to allow edit-all?
<MickM> RI - yes. Would be fine.
What should I consider wrt moving to UTF-8?
[32]http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-utf8-upgrade.en.php
[32] http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-utf8-upgrade.en.php
Comments found. Who can review comments and suggest next steps?
<MickM> "Moving to UTF-8" article. RI went to move to published last
week. - but realized there were some comments outstanding.
<MickM> Andrew will parse these comments
<scribe> ACTION: Andrew, read comments for What should I consider
wrt moving to UTF-8?
[33]http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-utf8-upgrade.en.php
and seek resolutions and propose necessary edits [recorded in
[34]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-core-minutes.html#action11]
[33] http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-utf8-upgrade.en.php
ri, remove xforms from radar
xml schema comments
[35]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2007Mar/003
0.html
[35] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2007Mar/0030.html
Any thoughts?
<MickM> "XML Schema Comments" - summarized by Felix
<MickM> Felix - drafteed new comments based on old
<MickM> Felix - 2 new comments. 1 - allow i18n related markup in
schemas
<MickM> ITS now available - wasn't before.
<MickM> 2. Dates in say French representaiton. When comment first
made - not much available to create locale specific data rep.
<MickM> Now CLDR available
<MickM> Felix: Would be good to have such a mechanism in XML Schema
1.1
<fsasaki> would propose a mechanism to use instead of "2007-03-27"
(current date data type) the following : "ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼å¹´ï¼ï¼æï¼ï¼æ¥
<MickM> RI - we currently get the En representation - since it's an
ISO format
<MickM> Currently XML SChema only allows locale non-specific
date/time format
<MickM> RI - Q: One country can have several date/time format
variations. Is Felix recommending one format per country, or that it
conform to a general format?
<GregAaron> Yes, one country can have variants. Certain sections of
the US, for example.
<DavidClarke> Currently only ISO format is allowable
<DavidClarke> Felix suggests that data types could be defined for
each new locale
<DavidClarke> and the data source. e.g. CLDR
<DavidClarke> Which is similar to ISO notion of date and time
<DavidClarke> RI suggests that specifying a CLDR locale ID which
could then be used for validation
<DavidClarke> which gives automatic extensibility via a CLDR data
type
<DavidClarke> e.g. using this in 5 languages, but extend the XML
document to include data eith the CLDR id
<DavidClarke> Felix suggests that there needs to be a schema entry
to say that a field is a a CLDR compatible field.
<DavidClarke> XML schema gives lexical representation and value
representation
<DavidClarke> this would enable mapping lexical representation of
data type to local indementant form in XML schema processor
<DavidClarke> at present both have a 1 to 1 (ISO to ISO)
<DavidClarke> Felix wants option to provide Lexical to ISO mapping
for content creators
<DavidClarke> Felix would like this mechanism to be defined. e.g. as
a schema annotation
<DavidClarke> Felix prepared to start with it as a private query to
XML schema WG
<DavidClarke> RI suggests taking it forwards in the way that the no
language tag was handled
<DavidClarke> Felix is preparing a detailed paper on the subject,
but it is not ready for circulation yet
<DavidClarke> RI can we collect this info in a centralised location?
<DavidClarke> Felix suggests that starting it as private and then
adding paper when it is ready
<scribe> ACTION: Felix, send private email to XML SChema to discuss
point 2 in
[36]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2007Mar/003
0.html and look at creating a page describing the proposal later
[recorded in
[37]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-core-minutes.html#action12]
[36] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2007Mar/0030.html
<DavidClarke> RI invites all to look at EMMA regarding i18n
SPARQL review
<fsasaki>
[38]http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-rdf-sparql-query-20070326/#func-lan
gMatches
[38] http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-rdf-sparql-query-20070326/#func-langMatches
<fsasaki> Returns true if language-range (second argument) matches
language-tag (first argument) per Matching of Language Tags
[RFC4647] section 2.1. RFC4647 defines a case-insensitive,
hierarchical matching algorithm which operates on ISO-defined
subtags for language and country codes, and user defined subtags. In
SPARQL, a language-range of "*" matches any non-empty language-tag
string.
<DavidClarke> Felix: suggest BCP47 reference needed
<DavidClarke> Felix: proposes dropping second sentence as RFC4647
does not specify this, and RFC4647 does not operate ISO defined
subtags
<GregAaron> logging off for another meeting; see you next time.
<DavidClarke> RI : Should say operates on languages defined in the
subtag registry
<DavidClarke> Felix: This is the only area that still seems relevant
to i18n
<scribe> ACTION: Felix, send comments we discussed to SPARQL folks
([39]http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-rdf-sparql-query-20070326/#func-la
ngMatches) [recorded in
[40]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-core-minutes.html#action13]
[39] http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-rdf-sparql-query-20070326/#func-langMatches)
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Andrew, read comments for What should I consider wrt
moving to UTF-8?
[41]http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-utf8-upgrade.en.php
and seek resolutions and propose necessary edits [recorded in
[42]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-core-minutes.html#action11]
[NEW] ACTION: David, redraft What is encoding, and why should I
[43]http://esw.w3.org/topic/geoEncoding for 1st May recorded in
[44]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-core-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: Felix, send comments we discussed to SPARQL folks
([45]http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-rdf-sparql-query-20070326/#func-la
ngMatches) [recorded in
[46]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-core-minutes.html#action13]
[NEW] ACTION: Felix, send private email to XML SChema to discuss
point 2 in
[47]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2007Mar/003
0.html and look at creating a page describing the proposal later
[recorded in
[48]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-core-minutes.html#action12]
[41] http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-utf8-upgrade.en.php
[43] http://esw.w3.org/topic/geoEncoding
[45] http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-rdf-sparql-query-20070326/#func-langMatches
[47] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2007Mar/0030.html
[PENDING] ACTION: RI, publish What should I consider wrt moving to
UTF-8?
[49]http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-utf8-upgrade.html
[recorded in
[50]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/10-core-minutes.html#action11]
[PENDING] ACTION: Richard, consider a F2F since it has been awhile.
Before or at same time as plenary? [recorded in
[51]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/10-core-minutes.html#action13]
[49] http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-utf8-upgrade.html
[50] http://www.w3.org/2007/04/10-core-minutes.html#action11
[51] http://www.w3.org/2007/04/10-core-minutes.html#action13
[DONE] ACTION: All, look at
[52]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2007Mar/003
0.html and send feedback by email for next week [recorded in
[53]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/10-core-minutes.html#action01]
[DONE] ACTION: All, review Tagging text with no language information
[54]http://esw.w3.org/topic/geoNoLanguageTag for next week recorded
in [55]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/10-core-minutes.html#action02]
[DONE] ACTION: David, look at What is encoding, and why should I
[56]http://esw.w3.org/topic/geoEncoding and determine what needs to
be done to move to next stage [recorded in
[57]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/10-core-minutes.html#action09]
[DONE] ACTION: Felix to look at EARL Schema and see if a review is
necessary [recorded in
[58]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/10-core-minutes.html#action03]
[DONE] ACTION: Felix to look at SPARQL and see if an i18n review is
necessary [recorded in
[59]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/10-core-minutes.html#action04]
[DONE] ACTION: RI, move Tagging text with no language information to
HTML [60]http://esw.w3.org/topic/geoNoLanguageTag recorded in
[61]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/10-core-minutes.html#action08]
[DONE] ACTION: Richard, OK to link to
[62]http://people.w3.org/rishida/utils/subtags/ recorded in
[63]http://www.w3.org/2007/04/10-core-minutes.html#action12]
[52] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2007Mar/0030.html
[53] http://www.w3.org/2007/04/10-core-minutes.html#action01
[54] http://esw.w3.org/topic/geoNoLanguageTag
[55] http://www.w3.org/2007/04/10-core-minutes.html#action02
[56] http://esw.w3.org/topic/geoEncoding
[57] http://www.w3.org/2007/04/10-core-minutes.html#action09
[58] http://www.w3.org/2007/04/10-core-minutes.html#action03
[59] http://www.w3.org/2007/04/10-core-minutes.html#action04
[60] http://esw.w3.org/topic/geoNoLanguageTag
[61] http://www.w3.org/2007/04/10-core-minutes.html#action08
[62] http://people.w3.org/rishida/utils/subtags/
[63] http://www.w3.org/2007/04/10-core-minutes.html#action12
[End of minutes]
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