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- Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2011 01:23:11 +0000
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http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10830
--- Comment #56 from Leif Halvard Silli <xn--mlform-iua@xn--mlform-iua.no> 2011-10-08 01:23:08 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #53)
> (In reply to comment #51)
It i always possible with an amicable solution. Hence I offer a (belated)
reply:
> > (5) http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/振假名 This page user ruby and it
> Actually that page could be simplified even further by removing both the <b>
> and the <rb> and just styling "ruby > span { ... }".
How come you see a usecase for
<ruby><span>foo</span><rt>bar</rt></ruby>
but not for
<ruby><rb>foo</rb><rt>bar</rt></ruby>
?
That <rb> has a dedicated purpose, is an advantage, e.g. it helps avoiding
indirection problems.
> (In reply to comment #52)
> > fallback styles for UAs that don't support ruby but support CSS tables:
> >
> > ruby rb { display:table-row-group; display:ruby-base; }
>
> This could be done using <span> as well, if it was necessary at all (which is unclear to me).
Would a need for *some* elment - such as <span> - convince you about <rb> at
all? Or would it simply lead you to say "use <span>"?
> > The other sets color, font-size and font-weight
> >
> > #content_right .content_box h4 rb {
> > color:#FFCC00;
> > font-size:18px;
> > font-weight:bold; }
> >
> > ...but those are redundant since the h4 has the same color, font-size and
> > font-weight.
>
> Indeed.
One could style the ruby text different from the <h4> element. In fact, here is
a page which colors some rubified words in red:
http://www.biblejapanese.com/july2504.html
> There is not a compelling argument here that there are good use cases for
> adding this feature.
The most obvious use case is when you want to style the base character without
affecting the rest of the <ruby>:
* Unless you have <rb> (or another element in its place), there is no
workaround:
ruby:first-line does not work unless you first give the ruby element
display:inline-block, which would only lead to a lot of problems (do I need to
list them?). Usiung ruby:first-letter{} has exactly the same problem.
* A situation where my guess is that many would wants to style the base
text-decoration different from the rest, is when the <ruby> is wrapped inside a
link, such as here <http://www.biblejapanese.com/jbibles.html>. It is neither
clear or pretty when both the base character and the "above" character both
have text-decoration:underline. In fact, to me, as that page looks in Webkit,
you easily start to think that there are two links.
* According to my tests, it is impossible to get browsers to underline only the
ruby base character unless there is <rb> or an equivalent element. One must
first disable underlineing for the anchor element itself, and then apply a
underline only for the <rb> element (or its equivalent element).
PS: According to http://validator.nu, it is permitted to place an <a> inside
the <ruby> element itself - I don't know if that is a bug in the validator, in
the spec or in my own understanding of how it ought to be ... But at any rate,
I belive that the typical thing to do would be wrap the <ruby> element inside
the link, to ensure that the entire line-height as well as the "above"
characters are clickable.
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