Re: Item 3.7 , both parts(Was: RE: Implementation status of "Additional Requirements for Bidi in HTML)

Actually, I filed the bug incorrectly (which is why you should never file
bugs at 3:00AM!).  I didn't want to morph the bug into the correct form, so
I resolved it as INVALID and filed a new bug:

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=614851

Aharon, would you mind updating the document with this new bug number,
please?

Thanks!
--
Ehsan
<http://ehsanakhgari.org/>


On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 2:29 PM, CE Whitehead <cewcathar@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> Ehsan thanks very much for filing the bug; your grammar is error-free too
> so I don't understand the reply to you at Mozilla (there are a few modifiers
> in the expression which make it fine).  I will see what I can do in a few
> days to update/explain the issue if no one else submits a suitable update
> before then.
>
> Anyway, again thanks.
>
> Best,
>
> --C. E. Whitehead
> cewcathar@hotmail.com
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> > From: ehsan@mozilla.com
> > Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 02:59:15 -0500
> > Subject: Re: Item 3.7 , both parts(Was: RE: Implementation status of
> > "Additional Requirements for Bidi in HTML)
> > To: cewcathar@hotmail.com
> > CC: aharon@google.com; public-i18n-bidi@w3.org
> >
> > Sorry for my delay here. I filed this bug to fix the Mozilla
> > implementation to match the change in the spec:
> >
> > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=614754
> >
> > It would be great if someone can update the document with this bug
> > number (I do not have edit privileges).
> >
> > Thanks!
> > --
> > Ehsan
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 7:53 PM, CE Whitehead
> > > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi, Aharon, all again; here are my votes on 3.7:
> >
> > > 3.7
> should support the dir attribute and be displayed
> > accordingly both in the dropdown
> > > and after being chosen
> > > Bug 10819 filed on HTML5.
> > > Proposes specifying that the option element's computed direction will
> > take its dir attribute
> > > (explicit or inherited) into account, and will be used to display the
> > option's text in both the > dropdown and after being chosen..
> > > HTML5 changed to require text from elements generally to be rendered
> > in native user interfaces
> > > in a manner that honors the directionality of the element from which
> > the text was obtained.
> > > Gives a detailed example for the option element, including the
> > correct rendering in the select.
> > > Close bug?
> > ME: I am less familiar with option but I would say yes}
> > > Bug 10820 filed on HTML5.
> >
> > > Proposes specifying that the option element's alignment via CSS or
> > the align attribute will
> > > affect its display accordingly in both the drop-down and after being
> > chosen. The proposal
> > > is misguided because:
> > > HTML5 no longer includes the align attribute.
> > > This is thus purely a CSS matter.
> > ME I may be confused; this proposes specifying the alignment via css
> > so I don't understand the problem; and of course I think that if the
> > page author wants to specify text-align for an element he/she should be
> > able to do so.
> > But I leave this to the bidi experts I guess -- .
> >
> > > Currently, no browser lets the text-align CSS property affect an
> > option’s alignment either in
> > > the drop-down or after being chosen.
> > > If text-align, which is “start” by default, were allowed to influence
> > option’s alignment, the
> > > results would be undesirable: by default, LTR and RTL entries would
> > have opposite alignment, which in most cases is undesirable.
> > > After a series of misunderstandings starting with the above, HTML5
> > changed to specify that “User
> > > agents are expected to render the labels in a select in such a manner
> > that any alignment remains > consistent whether the label is being
> > displayed as part of the page or in a menu control.”
> > > Close the bug, or reopen to get rid of this change, which (if I
> > understand it correctly) is only > violated by Mozilla (which aligns
> > options according to their direction in the drop-down, but not > after
> > selection)?
> > ME: I agree here that elements should not be aligned by default
> > according to their dir attribute.
> >
> >
> > > File a bug on Mozilla to stop aligning options according to their
> > direction.
> > ME: Yes, perhaps have Ehsan file the bug if he is the only Mozilla
> > person though I hate to keep asking him.
> >
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > --C. E. Whitehead
> > cewcathar@hotmail.com
> > ________________________________
> > > From: aharon@google.com
> > > Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 05:30:30 -0800
> > > To: public-i18n-bidi@w3.org
> > > Subject: Implementation status of "Additional Requirements for Bidi
> > in HTML"
> > >
> > > Here is an implementation status
> > > document summarizing
> > > the status of each proposal. I will continue to update it as the status
> > > continues to change.
> > >
> > > If some part of the status is not to your liking, you are most welcome
> > > to contribute to the discussion on the various bugs and threads linked
> > > by the document while it is still possible to change things. Or, if you
> > > can try to get a consensus here on public-i18n-bidi first.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Aharon
> >
>