RE: Implementation status of "Additional Requirements for Bidi in HTML" ("dir" & "directory")

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> From: aharon@google.com
> Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 11:50:09 +0200
> To: cewcathar@hotmail.com
> CC: ntounsi@emi.ac.ma; public-i18n-bidi@w3.org
> Subject: Re: Implementation status of "Additional Requirements for Bidi
> in HTML" ("dir" & "directory")
>
>> (I am still unclear as to what Aharon means by push/pull but I think
> it means this:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Push_technology
>
> No, what I meant is this:
> the original proposal (and Ian's current dirname draft) "push" the
> information from the element on which it is declared into another
> control. It has no effect on the value of the element on which it is
> declared. The alternative is to "pull" the information to the element
> on which the new attribute is declared from the element named by the
> attribute's value. For example,
> would pull the direction from another input, whose name is "foo", into
> the value of this one.
>

Aharon, thanks for your patience in explaining this -- I don't quite think it is up to us to specify whether direction is pushed or pulled then; I think it's o.k. to leave that up to the application developers (although this is going to force script writers to write browser sniffers) and to choose a term that works with both!

I tend to agree with Ehsan that dir is already there and does not need changing, but if the working group says dir is not good enough, I like either text-direction or input-direction (the latter would probably only be appropriate for pulls?).
 
(Happy Thanksgiving/autumn harvest -- in the Northern Hemisphere anyway -- to those who celebrate that . . .)

Best,

--C. E. Whitehead
cewcathar@hotmail.com 

> Aharon
>
> On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 12:59 AM, CE Whitehead
>> wrote:
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>> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 10:14:59 +0000
>> From: ntounsi@gmail.com
>> To: cewcathar@hotmail.com
>> Subject: Re: Implementation status of "Additional Requirements for
> Bidi in HTML" ("dir" & "directory")
>>
>> CE Whitehead wrote:
>>>
>>> Hmm, one question: I think dir is already the established word in
> html for text direction so I assume we are stuck with the dir part of
> the term. Is that correct?
>>>
>>
>> No. "dir" is perhaps not enough mnemonic and so connected to the HTML
>> dir attribute. These are good reasons to choose another name, preferably
>> related to direction style.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Najib
>>
>>
>>
> O.k. thanks Najib for clarifying things; sorry I took a while to get back;
>
> I would vote for one of the following names based on Najib and Aharon's info:
>
> add-direction (without the "-as" mentioned in Aharon's very painstaking
> draft -- the word "as" I think is confusing -- but I confuse easily
> sometimes)
>
> or alternately:
>
> input-direction ??? (this is long but no longer than add-direction-as;
> I do hope no one is still writing a lot of code by hand as I have done,
> without an application).
>
> (I am still unclear as to what Aharon means by push/pull but I think it
> means this:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Push_technology
>
> so both push and pull are needed and which is used does not change my
> name preferences).
>
> Hope this makes sense.
>
> Best,
>
> C. E. Whitehead
> cewcathar@hotmail.com
>

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