[minutes] ALReq Weekly Meeting Telecon 2017-02-21

Minutes from the meeting today available here:
https://www.w3.org/2017/02/21-alreq-minutes.html

Text snapshot follows.

-Behnam



                 ALReq Weekly Meeting, 21 February 2017

21 Feb 2017

   See also: [2]IRC log

      [2] http://www.w3.org/2017/02/21-alreq-irc

Attendees

   Present
          mostafa, najib, behnam, r12a, Shervin

   Regrets
   Chair
          behnam

   Scribe
          mostafa

Contents

     * [3]Topics
         1. [4]Status review of action items
         2. [5]Review of GitHub issues and pull requests
     * [6]Summary of Action Items
     * [7]Summary of Resolutions
     __________________________________________________________

   <scribe> ScribeNick: mostafa

Status review of action items

   <behnam>
   [8]https://www.w3.org/International/groups/arabic-layout/track/
   actions/open?sort=owner

      [8] https://www.w3.org/International/groups/arabic-layout/track/actions/open?sort=owner

   Behnam: Action-84 is done.

   <behnam>
   [9]https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/86#issuecomment-27996361
   3

      [9] https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/86#issuecomment-279963613

   <behnam> close action-84

   <trackbot> Closed action-84.

   Richard: Re some of the Urdu examples from Khaled in the
   underline: I’m not sure all of them are underlines.
   ... They look like normal lines drawn under a title, not
   necessarily underline.

   <najib> I think so

   <r12a> [10]https://github.com/w3c/type-samples/issues/16

     [10] https://github.com/w3c/type-samples/issues/16

   Richard: In the examply in my link, some lines are underlines
   and some are not underlines.
   ... That seems quite common.

   <r12a> r12a: seems we may need to also describe a requirement
   for borders to also skip ink

   Mostafa: No update on my action item.

   Najib: No update on my action.

   <behnam>
   [11]https://www.w3.org/International/groups/arabic-layout/track
   /actions/open?sort=owner

     [11] https://www.w3.org/International/groups/arabic-layout/track/actions/open?sort=owner

   Shervin: I don’t have any updates on my action items.

Review of GitHub issues and pull requests

   <behnam> Drafting issues:
   [12]https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+
   label%3Adrafting

     [12] https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues?q=is:issue+is:open+label:drafting

   <behnam> [13]https://github.com/w3c/alreq/pulls

     [13] https://github.com/w3c/alreq/pulls

   Richard: We have two pending pull requests.

   Mostafa: One of the pull requests is mine (#89
   ... and it is still ongoing.
   ... It is not ready for merge.

   <behnam> [14]https://github.com/w3c/alreq/pull/83

     [14] https://github.com/w3c/alreq/pull/83

   Shervin: Najib’s PR is blocked by me. I’ll try to deal with it
   next week.

   <behnam> action Shervin to convert glossary to HTML format

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-86 - Convert glossary to html format
   [on Shervin Afshar - due 2017-02-28].

   <najib> [15]https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/57

     [15] https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/57

   <behnam>
   [16]https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/57#issuecomment-2801769
   06

     [16] https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/57#issuecomment-280176906

   <najib> Right repo?
   [17]https://github.com/w3c/type-samples/issues/12

     [17] https://github.com/w3c/type-samples/issues/12

   Najib: I left a comment on the justification issue about
   tatweel. Not sure if that is the correct place for it.

   Richard: This is the right place for this discussion. The other
   repo is for examples only, not discussion.
   ... Also, is it common for softwares to add tatweel for
   justification?

   Mostafa: +1 about the right place for this discussion. Helpful
   on drafting this section.
   ... I have seen tatweel beeing used on printed works, but I
   don’t remember seeing a software that does that for
   justification.

   Behnam: For clarification: tatweel means the Unicode character
   and kashida means elongating the horizontal lines?

   Richard: +1

   Behnam: Proper kashida elongation which handles curved lines is
   implemented in special cases like Quran printing.
   ... But Microsoft Word or Internet Explorer use a line like
   tatweel for justification.

   Najib: Microsoft Word uses tatweel only for some fonts.
   ... For other fonts like Amiri uses only spaces.

   Mostafa: Does the character that Word adds for justification
   has variable widths?

   Behnam: They use variable widths for this tatweel for kashida.

   Mostafa: My question is whether we should categorize this
   implementation as tatweel, or a very basic form of kashida, or
   something else.

   Behnam: We can add a note about this technical implementation.

   Shervin: Softwares don’t add characters like tatweel to the
   text, they just added at the presentation layer.

   Mostafa: My question is whether to catagorize a variable-width
   tatweel as using method tatweel or using kashida.

   Shervin: A definition of tatweel will help with answering these
   kinds of questions.

   Najib: I think we can consider a variable width tatweel as
   kashida.

   <Shervin>
   [18]http://unicode.org/cldr/utility/character.jsp?a=%D9%80&B1=S
   how

     [18] http://unicode.org/cldr/utility/character.jsp?a=ـ&B1=Show

   Najib: I have question: do we have tests to see if tatweel
   changes string comparisions and matches?

   Richard: I don’t know.

   Shervin: Unicode character properties for tatweel recommends
   ignoring it in searches.
   ... But the catch is that if you manually add tatweel in your
   text, you might want it to be found as part of the text.

   Richard: But if you add tatweel for emphasis you still want to
   find it.

   Shervin: Yes. But I have not tested this. But the short answer
   according to Unicode is that it is not ignorable.

   Behnam: In Iran Nastaliq font adding tatweel is used for using
   extended shapes for letters.
   ... But that is a special implementation.

   Shervin: I recommend to stay away from calligraphy when talking
   about justification.
   ... These behaviors are not standard, can be extremes, …

   +1

   <r12a> +1

   scribe: We can stick to typed, monotype style text for these
   topics and then consider adding edge cases afterwards.

   <najib> +1

   <behnam> +1

   <r12a>
   [19]https://cloud.githubusercontent.com/assets/4839211/23173609
   /a0c28b52-f851-11e6-9816-fb209f7ca869.jpeg

     [19] https://cloud.githubusercontent.com/assets/4839211/23173609/a0c28b52-f851-11e6-9816-fb209f7ca869.jpeg

Summary of Action Items

Summary of Resolutions

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