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ALReq Weekly Meeting
24 Nov 2015
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2015/11/24-alreq-irc
Attendees
Present
Shervin, Behnam, Mostafa, r12a, Najib (IRC)
Regrets
Waseem
Chair
Shervin
Scribe
Behnam
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]Review of actions
2. [5]Glossary progress and plan to finalize it
3. [6]Drafting status: Character charts
4. [7]Typographic considerations
5. [8]Section on Arabic script description
* [9]Summary of Action Items
* [10]Summary of Resolutions
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Review of actions
Shervin: Still working on ACTION-12
<Shervin> Close Action-17
<trackbot> Closed Action-17.
r12a: action-18 is done
<Shervin> Close Action-18
<trackbot> Closed Action-18.
r12a: Re action-20, now that we have decided to not change the
schedule, I'm going to set up the new meeting
Shervin: Waseem cannot be here today, but he mentioned that he
will be joining more regularly
Behnam: Re ACTION-22 and ACTION-23, I'm behind on my actions
and will get to them soon
<mostafa> [11]https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/14
[11] https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/14
mostafa: Re ACTION-24, started the gdoc document and working on
it
<Shervin> Close Action-28
<trackbot> Closed Action-28.
r12a: A Unicode conference is being held in Oman in February
(14-16), organized by the German university
Shervin: Re recruiting: we have two people introduced by
Alolita, and one more person from IBM, who worked on the
calendar
<najib> Too busy past week to advance forward on the glossary.
najib, please go ahead
<najib> Sure can give it enough time this week.
<najib> That's it
<Shervin> Thanks, najib.
r12a: About recruiting, let's try to make sure people invited
are active, on the meetings, with drafting, etc
<r12a>
[12]http://www.w3.org/International/groups/arabic-layout/#join
[12] http://www.w3.org/International/groups/arabic-layout/#join
Shervin: agree with Richard
... I try to be clear about the two steps, following up the
work of the WG vs being active in the WG
Glossary progress and plan to finalize it
<Shervin>
[13]https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nSxYKQm_mKroCmxU4fy
J-g70Eo1_mF89yHZg8YNOuzc/edit?usp=sharing
[13]
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nSxYKQm_mKroCmxU4fyJ-g70Eo1_mF89yHZg8YNOuzc/edit?usp=sharing
Shervin: looking at the gdoc, it seems like we have to lower
the priority for items missing translation
... what people think about it?
mostafa: +1
<r12a> +1
<najib> +1
mostafa: Let's not spend too much time on the glossary
<najib> I'll add more translations..
<Shervin> ACTION: Shervin to process the glossary for the
editors' draft [recorded in
[14]http://www.w3.org/2015/11/24-alreq-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-29 - Process the glossary for the
editors' draft [on Shervin Afshar - due 2015-12-01].
Shervin: I'll work on a script that converts the table in gdoc
to HTML to put on the github repo
mostafa: if anyone needs an extra hand with the automation, I
can help
Shervin: I'll look into the options for moving forward this
week and report back next week
Drafting status: Character charts
mostafa: I haven't done much new work on this
<Shervin>
[15]https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nxXVe7wgPtqekAXqMLn
NVJjmP8-XK_sgkCsrf3zxPp0/edit
[15]
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nxXVe7wgPtqekAXqMLnNVJjmP8-XK_sgkCsrf3zxPp0/edit
Shervin: the chart does not include digits yet
... question for people: should we add Bidi Control Characters
to our charts?
... How much details we want to add to this chart?
<mostafa>
[16]https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uPrxdtedlodiabT4SjptfVq
umeHJCe8Pkl8eWXFiFJc/edit?ts=56389689#
[16]
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uPrxdtedlodiabT4SjptfVqumeHJCe8Pkl8eWXFiFJc/edit?ts=56389689
mostafa: re the latter question: I created separate tables for
the groups of characters
... and for details, I suggest to have language and
joining-behavior of characters in the tables
Shervin: I'm going to work on the table and change it to be
easily used in the document mostafa has
r12a: +1 to having separate tables in the document per
character category/type
... also separate columns for languages
<mostafa> +1
<r12a> +1 to use of language tags
Behnam: Let's use language tags in the charts and avoid using
terms "Arabic" and "Persian" loosely
<najib> +1
Shervin: +1 on having separate columns for languages, making it
easier to read the charts
... mostafa, would you like to maintain the tables manually, or
do you want to generate them from CLDR?
... question for everyone: what should we do about characters
present in our tables, but not being in CLDR?
... So, the question is what source we should rely on for the
list of characters in the table?
<mostafa> [17]http://www.w3.org/TR/jlreq/#character_classes
[17] http://www.w3.org/TR/jlreq/#character_classes
Behnam: IMO, as long as we have all the characters that we want
to talk about, in text layout matters mostly, it shouldn't
matter much
r12a: in JLReq work, characters are pointed out for behaving
differently in justification, etc
... we may not be able to make a decision right now
<Shervin>
[18]http://unicode.org/cldr/utility/list-unicodeset.jsp?a=%5B%3
AARABIC%3A%5D&g=&i=
[18]
http://unicode.org/cldr/utility/list-unicodeset.jsp?a=%5B%3AARABIC%3A%5D&g=&i=
mostafa: I was thinking about these tables to be used by type
designer or software engineers as a reference for what
characters to support
Shervin: it's not possible to have these tables work as an
exhaustive list of characters for a type designer
... re r12a's comment, it was not possible for the Japanese
document to have an exhaustive list of characters, but we can
do so for Arabic script
r12a: The Japanese TF felt the need of having a table for the
characters afterward, when working on justification
<mostafa> +1
<mostafa> +1
<r12a> +1
Shervin: anything else on this topic?
Typographic considerations
Shervin: Let's hear from najib
<najib>
[19]https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IRgcMygoovniN_qL1cjD2WB
-FiSyYFKlzEblvJuxRgY/edit?usp=sharing
[19]
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IRgcMygoovniN_qL1cjD2WB-FiSyYFKlzEblvJuxRgY/edit?usp=sharing
<Shervin> Please go ahead najib.
<najib> Still drafting it
<najib> Filled an issue about it
<najib> My idea is to talk about origine and evolution of
Arabic styles,
<najib> different generic scripts
<najib> and then fonts in printing and computer.
<najib> The use of fonts and what are the technical
constraints.
<najib> and then may be some best practices in choosing fonts
styles and sizing.
<najib> what else…
<najib> look for references to put if details stuff from
elsewhere.
<najib> That's it
<r12a> i'm a little concerned because i don't think we should
be writing authoring guidelines
<r12a> it seems like that is part of Najib's intention
Shervin: I think we need to cover font size matching and
matters like that
<r12a> i think the descriptions of the styles is useful
background
<najib> That's not my intention. Only some warnings about thing
to avoid
<najib> Yes there are some other matters to cover also.
Shervin: Let's continue the discussion next week so we can have
najib on the call
<najib> Yes
<najib> Yes there are some other matters to cover also.
<najib> Important things are to put here. Font size and related
<najib> please comment ..
<Zakim> najib, you wanted to discuss AOB
<najib> We should continue discussion be email during week.
Section on Arabic script description
<Shervin> ACTION: Mostafa to pull request a new
section/subsection to editors draft for Arabic script behvior.
[recorded in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2015/11/24-alreq-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-30 - Pull request a new
section/subsection to editors draft for arabic script behvior.
[on Mostafa Hajizadeh - due 2015-12-01].
<scribe> ACTION: mostafa to send pull-request for topics on
basic of the Writing Script [recorded in
[21]http://www.w3.org/2015/11/24-alreq-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-31 - Send pull-request for topics on
basic of the writing script [on Mostafa Hajizadeh - due
2015-12-01].
<najib> to keep track of what are+ we doing
Sounds good, najib
<mostafa> Thank you and goodbye Najib.
<najib> Bye
Just a reminder that it's a long weekend here in the U.S.
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Mostafa to pull request a new section/subsection
to editors draft for Arabic script behvior. [recorded in
[22]http://www.w3.org/2015/11/24-alreq-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: mostafa to send pull-request for topics on basic
of the Writing Script [recorded in
[23]http://www.w3.org/2015/11/24-alreq-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: Shervin to process the glossary for the editors'
draft [recorded in
[24]http://www.w3.org/2015/11/24-alreq-minutes.html#action01]
Summary of Resolutions
[End of minutes]
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