- From: Philippe Le Hegaret <plh@w3.org>
- Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 17:36:32 -0500
- To: public-hypertext-cg <public-hypertext-cg@w3.org>
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http://www.w3.org/2010/11/19-hcg-minutes.html
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Hypertext Coordination Group Teleconference
19 Nov 2010
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2010/11/19-hcg-irc
Attendees
Present
Debbie_Dahl, Bert, ChrisL, Kaz, Shepazu, Doug_Schepers,
plh-home
Regrets
Daniel_Glazman, Robin_Berjon, Cameron_McCormack,
Erik_Dahlstr�m, Art_Barstow, Charles McCathieNevile,
Frederick Hirsch, Lofton Henderson
Chair
Chris
Scribe
plh
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]Action items
2. [5]Status report
3. [6]TC 39
4. [7]LC
5. [8]TR draft warnings
6. [9]Web Events and Touch Interface
7. [10]Web-on-TV
8. [11]Next meeting
* [12]Summary of Action Items
_________________________________________________________
Action items
<ChrisL> ACTION-58?
<trackbot> ACTION-58 -- Philippe Le Hégaret to follow up on bugzilla
accessibility issues -- due 2010-10-29 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [13]http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/CoordGroup/track/actions/58
[13] http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/CoordGroup/track/actions/58
<ChrisL> plh: systeam updated to latest bugzilla, may have helped.
<ChrisL> close ACTION-58
<trackbot> ACTION-58 Follow up on bugzilla accessibility issues
closed
Status report
Chris: would be good if people were sending status report
... maybe Debiie and I can put back the list of status report
... it is possible for staff contacts to send them
... nit just chairs
Debbie: don't think there is anything we can do to make it easier
... it's a matter of a few sentence on what's going on
Chris: it's quite useful to have them all in one place
... it's useful if there are upcoming last call
Doug: having some sort of structure might help. resolutions, working
drafts, etc.
Chris: yes, maybe Debbie and I can work on a template
<plh-home> ACTION: Chris to develop a template for WG status report
[recorded in
[14]http://www.w3.org/2010/11/19-hcg-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-61 - Develop a template for WG status
report [on Chris Lilley - due 2010-11-26].
Debbie: key thing is how it affects other groups
TC 39
<ChrisL> scribenick: chrisl
plh remotely (kind of) attended tc39 in california
scribe: topics included working better with w3c, liaison list will
be sent
... cameron was there and other webapps wg folks, talked about
webidl
... to better understand it. expect liaison request soon - webapps,
dap, etc
Doug: webevents?
plh: there is a long list of working groups that are working on APIs
Doug: we don't do org to org liaison, mostly group to group
plh: we do, sometimes, but don't favour it
Doug: say we don't do it
plh: its not true though
... once we have a request we will direct them to the right groups
Doug: we already have a mailing list specifically for webapps webidl
work
plh: they do not necessarily understand everything we do in this
space
... like multiple additions to the window object
Doug: don't think a formal liaison will help here
plh: only caught the end of the discussion
... we could give them a full list of specs containing apis
Doug: sounds like makework
plh: /TR has that already
LC
Chris: WOFF is ongoing
... any other?
TR draft warnings
PLH: html wg started it, now spread to others; warning that editors
draft is more up to date
PLH: so they wanted to redirect people to editors drafts where
feedback is incorporated rapidly
PLH: so its fne to warn people but remind WGs to update /TR version
at least every three months
... some drafts not updated for a year or more
... heartbeat requirement
... was not enough for html wg, more frequent than 3 months was
needed
Chris: how to add this while still meeting pubrules?
<shepazu>
[15]http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Event
s.html
[15] http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Events.html
PLH: various ways to do it, people still miss the link sometimes
<shepazu> [I've added an Editor's Draft and Public Comments link to
the top of DOM3 Events]
PLH: some groups have popups. any of these is fine, no specific
format is recommended at the moment
... more and more groups have public editors versions
Doug: its fine to experiment but there is a lot to be said for
consistency across specs. should have a standardised way to do it
... otherwise its harder for casual consumers of secs to figure it
out
... dom3 events has editors draft link at the top, also added a
public comments link
... because people can't figure out how to comment on a spec
... people don't read the sotd
Chris: people ignore sotd?
Doug: this is a good way to present it
Chris: looks like a clear way, we could standardize on that
Doug: check out how I did for DOM3 events to advertize the archive
for public comments
<Zakim> Bert, you wanted to ask that WG's refrain from making public
editor's drafts. It is hard enough already to explain to people what
the various statuses on /TR mean...
Bert: agree on consistency, public comment link is good, but now its
different from other wgs
... need rules for this
Bert: agree with consistency otherwise it will be impossible to
follow between working groups
... the /TR process is the right one
... we should keep to w3c process
Doug: it's appropriate to experiment with several ways. don't see a
problem with that, as long as we get to the best way
bert: the format was set more than 10 years ago
doug: don't think we should simply follow history
chris: 10 years ago, everything single group worked in members space
and it was easy to update /TR
... things have changed now. we have public groups, with public
editor's drafts
<Bert> (For example, Doug's draft doesn't have "latest version" but
"latest stable version", which means some of my scripts fail. :-( )
chris: and responses to comments can point to editor's draft
Bert: we have a dozen state for /TR drafts nowadays. it's impossible
to explain all of that to people?
Doug: so, how do we explain to people that the draft they're looking
at is out of date?
[stop minuting]
Chris: linking to editor's drafts should be done in a consistent
manner. don't forget to update your /TR, ie don't let them rot.
... let's pick one way to link to editor's draft and follow up
... as well as the comment link
... next step? seems we should take that to chairs
<scribe> ACTION: Doug to follow up to chairs on links to comments
and editor's drafts [recorded in
[16]http://www.w3.org/2010/11/19-hcg-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-62 - Follow up to chairs on links to
comments and editor's drafts [on Doug Schepers - due 2010-11-26].
Web Events and Touch Interface
Doug: we launched the Working Group
... we're going to work on touch interfaces
... physical actions
... and high level events
... such as undo
... there are several ways to do undo (shake, menu edit, etc.)
... similar to DOMActivate but more likely to be implemented.
Chris: sounds like a useful direction, similar to textevent
Web-on-TV
Doug: heard a lot at TPAC and in Japan.
... had discussion with various companies
... remote controls is one case
... we have this all new situation. browser/tv agents
... kaz is the contact for this
chris: good to see activity in this area, but let's not create an
other vertical silo.
... ie let's avoid the subsetting effect
... what sort of steps are being taken again that?
Doug: received an email from comcast expressing that same sentiment
kaz: the conclusion has been to create an IG
... we're not planning to create a new silo or new spec, but
concentrate on use cases from broadcasters instead
<kaz> [17]workshop summary
[17] http://www.w3.org/2010/09/web-on-tv/summary.html
debbie: lots of different type of organizations are interested in
this domain
<kaz> [18]workshop attendees
[18] http://www.w3.org/2010/09/web-on-tv/minutes.html#attendees
debbie: browser vendors, hardware makers, broadcasters, etc.
Next meeting
Debbie: Dec 31 will be canceled
... next one is Dec 3
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Chris to develop a template for WG status report
[recorded in
[19]http://www.w3.org/2010/11/19-hcg-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Doug to follow up to chairs on links to comments and
editor's drafts [recorded in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2010/11/19-hcg-minutes.html#action02]
[End of minutes]
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