- From: Ruben Verborgh via GitHub <sysbot+gh@w3.org>
- Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2020 07:19:44 +0000
- To: public-hydra-logs@w3.org
> I know TPF is close to RDF and downgrading hydra ranges for some of the terms will break reasoning process. Resources will be no more `hydra:Resource`, thus any implementation relying on this will get broken. The only thing that `hydra:Resource` offered over the REST or RDF notion of a resource (which, BTW, are the same), was a promise of dereferenceability—but it was not in the position to make such a promise. So I have never been able to rely on that anyway. It's always been just a REST/RDF resource for me. > > To me, usage of HTTP URLs implies dereferenceability > > This is the issue - one of our community members has issues with this assumption. That's how Web architecture works though. > He uses HTTP Urls for identifying resources be for some circumstances he knows that server won't provide any of these resources. The easy answer is of course "don't", and I speaking from a Web arch perspective here, not even RDF. But I assume there are reasons. > Not using `hydra:Resource` will somehow help as it won't impose a resource is somehow guaranteed to have a GET operation supported It does not make a difference at all, and perhaps it's important that everyone in the thread understands. `hydra:Resource` was _never_ able to make that promise, and here is why. Take this example, here in JSON-LD notation: ```json { "@context": "http://www.w3.org/ns/hydra/context.jsonld", "@id": "http://example.org/my/resource", "@type": "Resource" } ``` and here in Turtle: ```turtle <http://example.org/my/resource> a <http://www.w3.org/ns/hydra/core#Resource> . ``` What it is `supposed` to say according to Hydra is: - I can dereference the URL `http://example.org/my/resource` through `GET` However, the above interpretation is not possible in RDF. It's not. Because what it _actually_ says is: - The thing **identified by** http://example.org/my/resource (but also infinitely many other identifiers) is a Hydra resource I.e., the assertion is on the _node_ not on the identifier of that node. We _cannot_ assert that a node is dereferenceable; only URIs can be. What Hydra _should_ have done is something like ```turtle <http://example.org/my/resource> ex:hasDereferenceableUri "http://example.org/my/resource"^^xsd:anyURI . ``` But `hydra:Resource` has been meaningless all along, so removing that meaning does not change or break anything. -- GitHub Notification of comment by RubenVerborgh Please view or discuss this issue at https://github.com/HydraCG/Specifications/issues/216#issuecomment-640416339 using your GitHub account
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